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Southern Trillium LLC
Southern Trillium LLC Professional Stone Mountain, GA on Dec 21, 2011
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Having read a recent post about dry laid flagstone versus pavers, I wanted to share a series of photos showing the

proper installation of pavers. I took these photos documenting each step of the process of installing a paver walkway.

Pavers are actually quite easy to install and really only require one tool to be rented, a plate compactor. The heavy work is in excavating the area to about 6 and 1/2 inches below grade and moving the dirt. Then you build up the base with crusherun/crush&run which is a crushed stone. Build it up in 2 layers running the compactor over the area. A homeowner can use a 4 foot level and a 2x4 board to help get the crushed stone base to a proper pitch and close to even. Remember that the base should extend about 6" beyond the last paver.

The exact level surface is then done using 3/4" iron pipes. You will need at least 2 pipes. Lay the pipes across the base and check with a level to see if you have the proper grade. Use a little sand to adjust the pipes. With the pipes set, you begin shoveling the sand into the area and with a straight board, you screed (drag) the sand. You are left with a perfectly level surface of sand. As you move along, remove the pipes and fill the gaps with sand. Remember to not walk on the sand once it is screeded.

For a larger patio, we usually work in sections laying pavers as we go so that we can then work off of the already laid pavers. The ...»

chosen pattern will dictate any cutting. For a few cuts, a grinding wheel on a circular saw will suffice. For lots of cuts or cutting curves on a patio, a large gas powered cut-off saw with a grinding wheel or diamond wheel is necessary. We also use a large sliding table tile saw to custom cut some pavers.

Once the pavers are all laid, install the edging strips. Then, run the compactor over the pavers to bed the pavers in the sand. You will have a perfectly level and smooth paver patio/walk. It does not require setting each paver individually. While compacting, you will sweep regular sand or polymeric sand into the joints. If polymeric sand, follow the manufacturer instructions on sweeping, compacting, and wetting.

See the following photos for the process. As an example of how fast pavers can be installed, 3 of us installed the paver walkway seen in the photos in one day. We followed the same path of an existing paver walkway that was improperly installed. The one day included all excavation and all installation and clean-up.

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    Excavation completed for new paver walkway. All extra dirt was hauled off.
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    Building up and compacting the crusherun base.
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    Beginning to screed the sand bedding layer.
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    One person can screed the sand on a narrow walkway.
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    The pipes are moved and then fill in the gap with sand.
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    A finished look at the perfectly smooth layer of sand, ready to lay the pavers down.
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    Finished walkway after installing pavers, compacting and wetting down the polymeric sand.
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    I have added pics showing pavers being laid on the screeded sand bed. You can see the string line set up to keep things running straight. Don't try th...
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    Here you can see where the sand was screeded and the pipes slid down. Since you can only fill what you can reach, it is easiest to fill as you lay pavers. Y...
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    This was a different project. As we were finishing the grading around the patio, you can still see the heavy plastic edging with spikes.
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  • David S Fayetteville, GA
    TRILLIUM.....GREAT JOB , LOOKS GREAT .THIS PAST SPRING A LANDSCAPER REDID MY PATIO WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE SAME COLOR PAVERS . HE USED A SAND THAT HE REFERRED TO AS ...M10 . IS THIS THE SAME POLYMERIC SAND ?
    on Dec 22, 2011 · Like 0
  • Southern Trillium LLC Stone Mountain, GA
    @David S - thanks for the compliment. The pavers in the photos are Belgard's Holland Paver, Georgia Blend color. M10 sand is simply a crushed granite sand. It is not the same as polymeric sand. I believe that M10 and 810 are interchangeable terms referring to the same granite sand. This sand is what is used as the bedding layer for the pavers. Many contractors will also use it to fill in the joints, because it is much less expensive than polymeric sand. ...»

    M10/810 sand will easily sweep into the joints and by wetting it, the sand will settle in. But the problems usually arise over time as ants tend to make joints their homes and an ant mound may appear. Also, weeds can grow in the joints if it is just sand. I have also seen walkways and patios where the sand washes out of the joints during heavy rains. The homeowners routinely have to sweep in more sand. This situation usually can be avoided by controlling excess water runoff in the area.

    Polymeric sand is a custom blended sand, and is also available in colors. When this sand is installed and properly wetted, polymers in the sand blend harden the sand mixture. You should have almost no problems with weeds, ants, and wash-out.

    As an idea of cost difference of M10/810 sand versus polymeric sand, I will use an example of a 150 square foot area. It will probably only require 100 pounds of sand. M10/810 sand would cost a contractor about $2 when delivered with the bulk sand for the entire project. Two 50# bags of polymeric sand will cost ~$50. Thus, you can see why there are landscapers/contractors who will sweep sand in the joints and pocket the $48 difference. If the area is 300 square feet, there is a $100 difference. We always use polymeric sand in our paver installations.

    So, to anyone pricing out paver installations from several companies, make sure the bids are for the same final product. One company may be cutting corners to present a lower price, but the final installation will not be the same as the one installed properly.

    on Dec 22, 2011 · Like 2
  • David S Fayetteville, GA
    TRILLIUM .....THANKS FOR THE IN DEPTH ANALYSIS . WOULD IT BE WISE TO ADD POLYMERIC SAND IN THE JOINTS , SAY THIS SPRING ? THE LANDSCAPER DID A GOOD JOB OF CONTAINING THE OUTER BOUNDARIES WITH WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE PROPER EDGING . I'VE ADDED A DOWNSPOUT PIECE TO KEEP THE GUTTER FROM ERODING THE JOINTS .I WATCHED HIM AND HIS 2 HELPERS DO WHAT APPEARS TO BE A GOOD JOB OF LEVELING AS HE PLACED THE PAVERS . IT APPEARED TO BE A TEDIOUS JOB OF GETTING THE PROPER LEVEL , SLOPE AND SPACING . I ...»
    WOULD SEND PHOTOS , BUT MY COMPUTER SKILLS ARE LIMITED . I HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO IS MY COMPUTER GURU .....MAYBE HE CAN HELP ME .

    THE SAME LANDSCAPER DID A GREAT JOB OF RESODING MY BACKYARD WITH EMERALD ZOYSIA . HE ALSO ADDED A VERY ATTRACTIVE WINDING WALKWAY OF CYRUS MULCH HELD IN BY METAL EDGING THE LENGHT OF ONE SIDE OF MY HOME WHERE GRASS WON'T GROW . MONEY WAS RUNNING SHORT AND A PAVER WALKWAY WAS NOT IN MY BUDGET !

    AGAIN THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS OF WISDOM .

    on Dec 22, 2011 · Like 0
  • Southern Trillium LLC Stone Mountain, GA
    You can fairly easily make the change to polymeric sand. Sometimes, if the sand in the joints is fairly dry, you can use a blower to blow much of the sand out. Other times, a garden hose with a jet nozzle will blast the sand out. If you can drop the sand down about 1/2", you could then use polymeric sand to re-fill the joints. This is one way to make the change. Or, you could leave the sand as is. If it ever presents a problem, then tackle the redo. Polymeric sand is a fairly recent ...»
    product. Before then, people used regular sand, and sometimes sand mixed with some portland cement which can be swept in dry, and then wet to harden it.

    on Dec 22, 2011 · Like 1
  • David S Fayetteville, GA
    AGAIN THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE ........I'M GONNA REVISIT MY OPTIONS THIS SPRING . YOUR WORDS WILL BE RINGING IN MY EARS DURING MY DECISION PROCESS .

    I;M SORRY BUT I HAVE 2 MORE QUESTIONS [ I GUESS YOU'LL HAVE TO RUN A TAB ON ME ! ] .....1. SOME LEAVES HAVE LEFT A SLIGHT STAIN IN ONE SMALL AREA OF THE PATIO ....WHAT TO DO ? 2. I HAVE BEEN ADVISED TO PUT A SEALER , THIS SPRING , ON THE PAVERS . SHOULD I AND IF SO WHAT TYPE SEALER ?

    on Dec 23, 2011 · Like 0
  • Cynthia B Sebastian, FL
    You make it look effortless!
    on Feb 23, 2012 · Like 0
  • Deck and Patio Company "O... Huntington Station, NY
    Excellent text book instructions for a properly installed paver walkway Southern Trillium LLC . In New York this is rarely done. We do it this way of course, because this is how the pavers were designed to be installed as recommended by the IPCI (paver industry organization). In Long Island we have 50% or more of contractors that still insist on using poured concrete under pavers to "prevent settling". What they don't ...»
    know is that proper base depth, prep and compaction of aggregate base is the best method.

    on Dec 23, 2012 · Like 2
  • Building Moxie Baltimore, MD
    I love any post that includes the word "screeded" ... this is a project I will be tackling myself soon. very timely and thanks for the contribution.
    on Dec 24, 2012 · Like 1
  • TRD Designs Ltd. Katonah, NY
    Nice work. We have not installed pavers on a stonedust bed for a few years now. All of the designs that involve pavers have permeable pavers. That process is a little different. We use 8-10"s of 3.4" gravel, compacted, no bedding sand or stonedust. Then we fill the joints with #9 stone (small chip stone). All of the water moves through the pavers which then replenishes the soil without creating runoff.
    on Mar 27, 2013 · Like 4
  • Rosemary N Klamath Falls, OR
    This sounds straightforward -- but a whole lot of work!! I'm not sure my senior-citizen back could take it.
    on Mar 29, 2013 · Like 1
  • Nest Home Improvement Raleigh, NC
    Proof that the prep work is key to the finished product.
    on Mar 29, 2013 · Like 0
  • Derick R
    a spent 15 years on the site's, ye ken as much as ye can durrin' aw that time,,lik' a Jack o' aw trades an' aw tricks
    on Mar 29, 2013 · Like 1
  • Julie Frey Hopkins, MN
    Could you do a whole drive-way this way? Our driveway is in desperate need of a redo!!
    on Mar 29, 2013 · Like 0
  • Rain S Bellingham, WA
    @Julia yes you could do a driveway with pavers, it adds higher resale value to a home as opposed to asphalt or cement.

    Ensure you are using pavers that are rated for driveway use.

    on Mar 29, 2013 · Like 0
  • Southern Trillium LLC Stone Mountain, GA
    Rain S brings up good points. A paver driveway does look much nicer, but be aware that it also will cost more than typical concrete. You also sometimes have issues if wanting to change from concrete to pavers if you have large mature trees nearby, because pavers require more depth of base, and in excavating the additional inches, you will damage many tree roots.

    Along with making sure the chosen paver is appropriate for vehicle traffic, the depth of the ...»

    compacted stone base layer will be thicker than it is for patios and walkways. Where 4" of compacted stone works for patios and walkways, you can expect to have 10-12" of compacted stone for a driveway. If you don't have enough base, or if the soil below is not firm, you will have a paver driveway with shallow ruts where the tires routinely roll. Everything starts from the bottom up.

    And as I mentioned in the 1st paragraph, concrete for driveways will typically be 4-5 inches thick. With pavers, the total thickness can be 14"-16". The thicker pavers typically used for driveways are 3"+ thick, plus 1" of bedding sand, plus ~10" of compacted base. And if you currently have concrete there, all the extra dirt must be excavated and either moved on site or hauled off. This is why the cost can go up so quickly over concrete.

    on Mar 29, 2013 · Like 0
  • Beverly T Dallas, GA
    Is this expensive to do? What about for a patio about 20 x 45?
    on Mar 29, 2013 · Like 0
  • Debby Boyle Necedah, WI
    I have laid over 6000 pavers. Not a bad job to do if the weather is right!!
    on Mar 29, 2013 · Like 0
  • Sea Wall Masonry Westbrook, ME
    I have laid many walkways and everyone has their theories. First I like the pipe idea, but I usuall use 2x4s and then replace them with retainers and before the base is put down I use geocloth because I live in Maine. Leroy White owner of Sea Wall Masonry, Westbrook, Me
    on Mar 30, 2013 · Like 2
  • Argo Electrical Services Gainesville, GA
    Very Nice...
    on Mar 30, 2013 · Like 0
  • Southern Trillium LLC Stone Mountain, GA
    @Sea Wall. The reason for the pipes is because the outside diameter is nearly exactly 1", and this gives us the 1" layer of bedding sand needed. When we have strange elevations or slopes to make, we will use pvc and carefully flex them to what we need. But the iron pipes give us a nearly perfect, level, and even bed of sand. The pipes come out after screeding. It is quick and easy. You are right about geocloth in Maine, we don't have to worry about that. Our frost line is probably 1", if that.
    on Mar 30, 2013 · Like 0
  • Columbine Landscaping Oakland, CA
    I wish you had pictures of the pavers going down. What kind of edger did you use?
    on Apr 04, 2013 · Like 0
  • Southern Trillium LLC Stone Mountain, GA
    I just added photos from a different previous job that show the pavers being laid. We use a commercial grade plastic edge restraint with 10" spikes. I also added a photo showing the other job nearly complete. We were finishing the grading around the patio, but you can see the edging in it.
    on Apr 04, 2013 · Like 0
  • Kim Hurles Pickard Austinburg, OH
    Someone I know did a paver driveway and the salt from the salt trucks in the winter ruined the pavers at the end by the road. It ate away the nice smooth top of the pavers. Might want to think about that first before doing it on a driveway.
    on Apr 05, 2013 · Like 0
  • Debby Boyle Necedah, WI
    I have laid over 5000 pavers in my time of gardening.
    on Apr 08, 2013 · Like 0
  • Southern Trillium LLC Stone Mountain, GA
    Kim, most pavers used are a concrete product. Therefore, they can be damaged by salt just as concrete can. I have seen plenty of concrete also ruined by salt.
    on Apr 08, 2013 · Like 0

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