susan...yep there will be doors. This is a diy'er that has done this whole project himself...except for the countertop. there are alotta thing id do diff but not badd for.......as far as color...ummmm they insisted on this color.. i'da used a bit more contrast
tutor....use block or concrete for outdoor apps... i personally would not use timber framing for outdoor apps. wood moves wayyy to much!
I hate to ask this question, but has anyone considered how close this grill is to the vinyl siding? I have heard that a grill should be at least 3 feet from vinyl siding, if not even further away.
http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2012/04/fire... Here is a recent news story where a gas grill ignited the vinyl siding on a house. Notice the end of the article where it reads that the house will probably be a total loss. All because of a gas grill too close to the house.
Well that sure would put a damper on your BBQ. Maybe he could have a piece of metal installed behind the grill for protection. Wonder if he needed a permit - or did he even THINK about that since he was a DIYer except for having Stone-Crete do the top?
Hmmmm - think a BIG can of worms just got opened!!
And to add more to this can of worms, looking at an instruction manual for a built in grill, it makes it very clear that the structure must be built out of non-combustible materials. Therefore, if the structure surrounding the grill unit was framed with wood, there is yet another area of concern. This is on page 1 of the instructions http://help.weber.com/manuals/pdf_files/Gas/...
The custom grills that I have seen or been part of working on and around have been built using block, mortar, and stone, or some of them use metal framing and concrete board. There is a lot here that concerns me.
@ST - yep - they give very clear, precise & specific details on the do's and don'ts of built in grills.
Somewhere way in the back of my head I can hear Clint Eastwood ask "Do ya feel lucky, Punk"?
@Stone-Crete - you tried to 'splain the facts of life to your client and obviously HE (thinks) he knows better so what can you do?? Keep your ears perked up for sirens in his neighborhood!!
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Other than all the above, it LOOKS good. (Maybe a discreet, anonymous call to the fire inspector)
Susan, you are very correct. What always comes to mind when I see problems like this is that they usually LOOK very good. But the devil is always in the details.
In this case, it appears to be materials chosen and spacing from the structure. Other times we have come across walls, patios, and even custom grills that did not have a proper footing. Everything usually looks pretty good, but because something was skipped or done wrong, we find it leaning,
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crumbling, or falling apart. And the sad part about most of these hardscape issues is that there is no fix. The solution usually requires tearing it down and rebuilding it from scratch.
I think many times Harry & Harriet Homeowner get in way over their heads because of all the DIY programs. Unfortunately, the homeowner doesn't get to see all the parts edited out so in 3 easy steps - wa lah, YOU TOO CAN HAVE A BEAUTIFUL BUILT IN OUTDOOR KITCHEN!! Right up to where it goes POOF!!! Looks Good does not = Built Well!!
Also wondering about future siding maintanece/replacement in general. This area is not accessable anymore. I know Stone-Crete just did the countertop; but in this situation, I thinks its sometimes better to say I can't do this job because I'm not comfortable with the whole situation. Now your "involved" in the project; now that you installed something.
@Clay B. And this is where the sticky wicket came from!! LOL
I've said this before - But . . . . THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT, (except for when they're NOT) Many times the client is sooo insistent on having something done, even going against the professional advice, and we in turn go against our better judgment - it's a fine line to walk.
I had the same thought about the closeness to the house....even how are you going to clean or paint the siding behind the stonework unless there are some access panels in the back. Glad that the DIY'er did it and not the contractor. Still this is where I would recommend to any contractor providing materials or product to consider a disclaimer at least saying "I warned you it may be too close" and get the customer to sign off. I am always amazing by the "changes" in stories after an
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event and the number of claims of "You're the pro, you should have warned me" claims.
Poor Stone-Crete - all you did was install the beautiful top and look what happened!! ;~} But, heaven forbid that anything would happen, Kevin will take care of you!!
Ummmm, just gotta ask . . . (you know what it is don't you?)
(1) There WILL be doors or something right?
(2) Is there some kind of plumbing to catch the water or is the Hi-tech 5 gal paint bucket ...»
EDIT HERE: Is the top what YOU did and not the stone work? Am I about to be colored "embarrassed"???
tutor....use block or concrete for outdoor apps... i personally would not use timber framing for outdoor apps. wood moves wayyy to much!
Hmmmm - think a BIG can of worms just got opened!!
Somewhere way in the back of my head I can hear Clint Eastwood ask "Do ya feel lucky, Punk"?
@Stone-Crete - you tried to 'splain the facts of life to your client and obviously HE (thinks) he knows better so what can you do?? Keep your ears perked up for sirens in his neighborhood!! ...»
In this case, it appears to be materials chosen and spacing from the structure. Other times we have come across walls, patios, and even custom grills that did not have a proper footing. Everything usually looks pretty good, but because something was skipped or done wrong, we find it leaning, ...»
I've said this before - But . . . . THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT, (except for when they're NOT) Many times the client is sooo insistent on having something done, even going against the professional advice, and we in turn go against our better judgment - it's a fine line to walk.