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San
San Lake Panasoffkee, FL on Apr 08, 2011
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I'm in Central Florida.

My house was built in 1964. Is Concrete Block and has little or no insulation in the walls and single pane awning windows. In the winter the electric bill is huge. I cannot afford to replace the windows or do vinyl insulation on the outside. What can I do inside that would help? Thank you for your advice.
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  • Dan's of Central Florida,... Clermont, FL
    Hi San,

    If you have an attic or crawl space that is not currently insulated, or has little insulation, you might think about taking care of that. It can help you with keeping your home warmed up overall. For the windows, you could seal them up on the interior with plastic. While it may not be the best looking thing to do, it will help out on keeping the warm air inside. You can make the plastic look ...»

    less noticeable by pulling it real tight and flat, then using things like window blinds or curtains to help hide the plastic itself. Some other things you can do is to have towels placed at the bottoms of doors and windows can also help to stop some drafts. Install outlet gaskets (on the inside of exterior walls) around any plug outlets or light switches. Caulk up any cracks in the exterior of your home as well as the interior. Have any air ducts that you can access insulated. On average, up to 60% of the heat in an uninsulated air duct can be lost before it even makes it to where you want the warm air to go.

    on Apr 09, 2011 · Like 2
  • KMS Woodworks Nederland, CO
    Adding a pellet stove might provide heat at a price cheaper than electric...electric baseboards are one of the most expensive ways to heat a home.
    on Apr 09, 2011 · Like 0
  • San Lake Panasoffkee, FL
    I thank both of you. Dan I used the 3M plastic stuff in 2010 inside and used a blow dryer elec. bill $300. Would greenhouse plastic be better?

    KM I have medallion heat (wires in the ceiling lathe).

    on Apr 09, 2011 · Like 0
  • Dan's of Central Florida,... Clermont, FL
    Hi again San,

    The greenhouse plastic should work, though I have never used that myself. You should try to use a thicker/heavier plastic (like 2 or 3 mil thick) and see if you can get some as clear/transparent as possible to still allow good sunlight through for added warmth.

    on Apr 09, 2011 · Like 1
  • San Lake Panasoffkee, FL
    Thanks again Dan. That was one of the things I didn't know. I literally hate cold weather and don't want to wear sweaters, hats and gloves inside my house. Bless you for your willingness to help.
    on Apr 09, 2011 · Like 0
  • Dan's of Central Florida,... Clermont, FL
    No problem at all San, I'm happy to help. I'm originally from upstate NY, so believe me when I say I can sympathize about hating the cold - that's what brought me here to Orlando! At least you won't have to worry about being cold for like the next 9 or 10 months lol. Good luck, please let me know if there is anything else I can help with!
    on Apr 10, 2011 · Like 0
  • KMS Woodworks Nederland, CO
    As I am writing this it is 24 degrees and the wind is blowing about 20 mph....We know cold in the mountains of Colorado. I'm not to familiar with Medallion heat, but if your heat source is over head and you have minimal to no insulation in your attic...this is about the worst possible combination I can think of. Heat rises and when it starts over your head and then is lost to the attic immediately, it can not provide much comfort at the level where you are spending your time. If the the ...»
    space above was habitable, it would be a bit like a radiant floor system which is one of the best for comfort.

    .

    The first thing you need to do is get some insulation up above, window plastic may help but if your heat starts high and then gets lost you might as well be living outside.

    The next thing you need to do is get the heat source closer to where you are living, Electric base boards would be better than the over head system but better would be a pellet stove like I mentioned or a new gas wall unit or two. Having the heat down low is the best...that is why radiant floors are so popular as the heat moves up you get to enjoy it.

    on Apr 10, 2011 · Like 1
  • San Lake Panasoffkee, FL
    Oh how well I understand. I put in central but it really hasn't made that much of a difference because of lack of insulation. My situation is compounded by the fact that I am teeny and don't function under 70 degrees. The weather has been changing here since the early 90's. It has been getting colder but 2010 was the worst. Really appreciate your thoughts and will check out the pellet stove especially for the bedroom.
    on Apr 10, 2011 · Like 0
  • San Lake Panasoffkee, FL
    Hi I want to, again, thank both of you for taking the time to give me advice.

    Dan - I now think a good part of the problem is coming from the connection of the duct work between the air handler and two possibly three of the air ducts coming loose. Some of what you said lite a light bulb in my head and now all I have to do is get someone up there to look at it. This would certainly be any easy fix. Of course, even so, doing all the other things would definitely be an improvement as well.

    on Apr 29, 2011 · Like 0
  • Dan's of Central Florida,... Clermont, FL
    Hello again San,

    Sorry for the delayed reply. Checking the duct work is a great idea. If they are not done already, you might also think about having the duct work itself insulated. They make special insulation just for this purpose. This will help with both heating as well as cooling in the summer. It is estimated that as much as 60% of the heating/cooling energy is lost via passing into/through the metal ...»

    ducts if not insulated - and that's even before the air makes it to your room! This will also help with water drips from condensation on the ducts in the summer. While you have somebody up there looking for broken ducts and leaks, you should have them check for insulation as well.

    on May 01, 2011 · Like 0
  • San Lake Panasoffkee, FL
    Thanks Dan. Didn't think of that. Now all I have to do is find someone who is realllly honest. I have asked neighbors for recommendations but they won't recommend the person they had because they were taken. It's a hard world out there. Have a great day.
    on May 01, 2011 · Like 0
  • Dan's of Central Florida,... Clermont, FL
    No problem at all there San. Good luck, let me know how things turn out for you!
    on May 02, 2011 · Like 0
  • Ramona Longwood, FL
    San I live in Longwood - just bought the house less then 2 months ago but discovered I have a similar problem - no insulation and single pane windows. Progress Energy offers a FREE energy audit. After having that done they tell me which programs/rebates they offer that I qualify for.

    They have insulation programs - I chose blown in since it's the cheapest - he gave me a price and a list of authorized contractors who will do the work at the price they "Progress Energy" ...»

    quoted. I choose the one I want off the list and Progress Energy will back up the work since they authorized them.

    They also have a duct work test program - Progress Energy schedules the contractor to come out and do the test - the cost is $60 - I pay half and they pay the other half. If the work needs to be done Progress Energy pays the 1st $150.00 of repairs. And again they chose the contractor so they backup the work.

    There's other programs from Progress Energy for window replacements, window tinting, A/C replacement etc plus there's the governments tax credits for energy efficient upgrades too - although they aren't as large this year.

    Not sure which power company you have in your area but most offer similar programs and they are well worth and hour of time to find out the savings and get the work done instead of paying it out in utility bills.

    on May 04, 2011 · Like 1
  • San Lake Panasoffkee, FL
    Romona I heard about Progress Energy duct inspection program on the radio today but I have SECO and they said they don't do that. They did do an energy audit and I changed out the appliances but I have so many windows it would cost a fortune to replace them.
    on May 05, 2011 · Like 0
  • San Lake Panasoffkee, FL
    Dan, do you do any of this kind of stuff? I just realized you are in Clermont
    on May 05, 2011 · Like 0
  • John H Clermont, FL
    San,

    I had the same problem. I bought a window unit AC for my living room. I would set the house AC at 80 degrees. When I was home I would turn on the window unit to cool the room I was in. The thermostat was in the same room. The window unit would confuse the thermostat. The rest of the house was a little warm. However, the room I was occupying the most was cool. The window units use ...»

    very little electricity opposed to the main house unit. At night time I would let the main unit do the work since the temperature dropped outside and turn the window unit off.. I did consider getting a window unit for the bed room to save more money. I was paying well over $200 per month before I made the simple change. After the change I was paying under $140 during the summer time. If you do this I recommend buying a decent "energy star" unit. You can find pretty good ones for around $200. You will get your money back in savings by the end of the summer. I also added some "sun curtains" to keep the heat out. Best of Luck!!!

    on May 05, 2011 · Like 0
  • San Lake Panasoffkee, FL
    Unfortunately John the problem is mostly in the winter. The windows I have wouldn't accommodate a window unit and for me noise would be a factor. Do appreciate the time you took to make the suggestion.
    on May 05, 2011 · Like 0
  • Dan's of Central Florida,... Clermont, FL
    Hi San,

    Unfortunately no, I don't do this type of work myself. I know enough to "be dangerous" but not enough to call myself a professional AC person (which is what I suggest you get). I'll see if I can come up with somebody to help you. Where about is Lake Panasoffkee in relation to Clermont and/or Orlando? ...»

    In the mean time, I second Ramona's suggestion on having Progress Energy come out and take a look at things for you.

    on May 05, 2011 · Like 0
  • San Lake Panasoffkee, FL
    Hi Dan

    I definitely can relate to knowing enough to be dangerous. I fit that description as well in a different field and am quite creative with repair work. I have Seco and they do not do duct inspection, at least not as of yesterday. Wish I wasn't claustrophobic - I'd go into the attic, take duct tape with me and check the duct connections to make sure they were securely attached. I am NW of Clermont. Think I-75. Have a great day.

    on May 05, 2011 · Like 0
  • Bruce Saint Cloud, FL
    San, I'm new to hometalk and not sure if it's o.k. to post my contact information. I am in the insulation business and the very most popular type for us is a block wall inject foam. Which we do many times every day for existing homes. It is relatively inexpensive and works great.
    on May 06, 2011 · Like 0
  • Chaya K New York, NY
    Bruce, you can set up a contractor profile and list all your company information. See our FAQs for more info. Welcome to Hometalk!
    on May 06, 2011 · Like 0
  • Chaya K New York, NY
    Hometalk FAQs: http://www.hometalk.com/faq
    on May 06, 2011 · Like 0
  • Dan's of Central Florida,... Clermont, FL
    Hi San,

    Just an update - haven't yet been able to find somebody for you. Have spoken with two of my contacts and they both have said that you are too far away to make it worth the time/money. Sorry, will continue to track somebody down if i can.

    @ Bruce, ...»

    Yes, feel free to create a contractor profile. Doing that and posting your contact info in response to a posting is fine as I understand things. That's part of the point of the website here. Welcome!

    on May 06, 2011 · Like 0
  • San Lake Panasoffkee, FL
    Appreciate you trying Dan. I think I'm going to do one step at a time and start with the possibility of a loose air duct connection. I'm sure I can find a friend that is willing to get up there and take look. Have a great week.
    on May 06, 2011 · Like 0
  • Dan's of Central Florida,... Clermont, FL
    No problem San, I'll keep seeing what I can come up with. Please keep me updated as to what you find out if you have the chance. Have a great week yourself!
    on May 07, 2011 · Like 0

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