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Teresa D
Teresa D Snellville, GA on Jun 18, 2012
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Misery Loves Company - DIY Not going as expected

Someone go get the cheese to go with my whine! So, I've got my new granite countertops in and new appliances. I just need my backsplash redone. After weeks of indecision on the design and material and quotes from a few contractors, Then being stood up or calls not returned by contractors, I decided upon a design (2 rows of stone mosaic with glass accents along bottom and 6x6 porcelain tile set diagonally with occasional accents worked in) and to do it myself. I've done lots of DIY projects, so this shouldn't be too difficult.

I got all my materials and rented equipment and got going, then things began to go wrong ... adhesive was super messy, tiles were slipping, struggling to keep things level and grout lines straight. Spacers kept popping out and after 5 hours and only about 9 tiles placed, I lost confidence. I contacted another contractor to help bail me out. This one actually showed up but some of his cuts looked worse than mine and a scratch "magically" appeared on my new countertops! I stopped everything.

I'm embarrassed and so disappointed and now, I'm not so sure I even like the design! So now, I have about 1/5 of the area tiled and I don't feel I have it in me to try it DIY again. For the money I've spent so far, I could have paid someone to do it and be done with it. ...»

*pout* I'm sharing this story for therapy (I guess) until my pity party is over and I get things moving again. In the meantime, has anyone else had a DIY project that just didn't go as planned? What happened and what did you do?

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  • Leslie D Las Vegas, NV
    This happened back in April, so he's healed and better now, although still some residual pain when he bends them certain ways. Woodbridge, you have every right to scold us...we both know better and have scolded ourselves many times. He's embarassed about it, which is why I wanted to make sure it was OK with him to post. He "rode" it down as it tipped, then jumped and rolled, saving him from more serious injury, although I wasn't sure which one of us would end up in the ER...him with the ankles or me with a heart attack!

    on Jun 20, 2012 · Like 2
  • Bernice H Yakima, WA
    @Leslie..yikes, so sorry, but happy all is somewhat better now. My hubs does some scary things, he has an old weather beaten ladder laying out on the roof of our little storage shed, and HE STILL USES IT! Freaks me out!

    @Teresa..i know the feeling, I and just about everyone else has had this experience. I am so happy Hometalk is here for us to whine to, then get some direction! ie, More info!

    Keep us tuned in on your progress.

    on Jun 21, 2012 · Like 0
  • Teresa D Snellville, GA
    Well, I'm tearing it out and starting again tonight. I've got another contractor. I feel pretty good about this one. (fingers crossed) I'm just going to let him bring my design to fruition and get it over with.

    @Woodbridge, I meant to tell you that using Bondera was my first plan but it is so expensive! ~$40 for 10x12 ft. I would have needed about 3 boxes. ...»

    I'll post the before and after pics once it is done.

    @Leslie, glad you guys are fine. Live and learn, right?

    @Sharron, I was using porcelain tiles with a stone look. They were pretty heavy too though. I started in the center and there was a phone jack and outlet I had to deal with. So my first 3-4 tiles had difficult cuts. I took my time and the cuts came out great. I laid the tiles (3) all around the outlets and then placed the ones below those. So it wasn't vertical or horizontal, it was kind of circular, the way I laid them. The slipping was very subtle. I didn't notice until I placed the next tile or the spacer fell out. I used the round spacers with the cross in the middle thinking they would be better.

    • spacers
    on Jun 21, 2012 · Like 0
  • Woodbridge Environmental ... Colonia, NJ
    Glad you saw the product Teresa, When you see what a pain using thinset or mastic to hold the tile up, you can see why the stuff is so expensive. Think about all the time spent putting the tile on the wall vs just peeling and sticking. As a contractor time is really about money. So even if we spent another $100 more for the materials. The Job could be done in less then a day, saving the owner several hundred dollars in the process. ...»

    But as a DIY your labor is sort of free, unless your taking off from work to do it. So it make sense to use the mastic instead of the plastic.

    Glad you go someone to help you out.

    on Jun 21, 2012 · Like 3
  • Teresa D Snellville, GA
    I'll be SO glad when this is over. Grrrr! Tile is up and all that is left to do is to grout. Not 100% happy. Just want it over now. *sigh In the meantime, I have a question ... what is the best way to get mortar off granite? (should I post this as a seperate question?)

    Contractor did not clean well between sessions. I have mortar on some of the tiles and discovered a glob of mortar that seeped under the paper laid out to protect the countertop. He is coming ...»

    this evening to grout and I expect he will clean up everything but how should he get the mortar off the granite? He mentioned using a razor blade. Is this safe? I already had one contractor scratch the countertop. I would imagine this has happened before. As always, I'd appreciate any feedback.

    on Jun 25, 2012 · Like 0
  • Woodbridge Environmental ... Colonia, NJ
    Razor blade may remove some of the adhesive, but ideally a sharp knife or scraper should be used. The adhesive is still pretty soft even though its dry, but he or she needs to spend a fair amount of time going between every tile and digging out enough of the offending cement so the grout when placed will go deep enough to grab and hold. This will take several hours to accomplish. Of course this would have been much faster if he or she cleaned up behind themselves as they worked. A true pro ...»
    would have done this knowing how much work its going to take to do it later on.

    But the thinset should come off pretty easy on the tile surface as its shiny and the cement has nothing to bite into and hold.

    What color cement did they use? White or gray? The white is a bit more expensive and is hidden much easier then the gray stuff. But in any case then need to scrape between the tiles and on the surface to assure that there is nothing left to be seen once the grout is properly placed.

    Just remember NOT to pay him or her if any cement still shows once the wall is grouted. Not even part of what you owe. Job done, Job paid.

    Unless you have a contract that spells out the payment differently.

    on Jun 25, 2012 · Like 1
  • Teresa D Snellville, GA
    Thanks Woodbridge. Contract spells it out a little differently but this job has been stretched out to 3 days and I've paid a little bit each time unfortunately the balance is only $50.

    The mortar is white. I purchased it from Lowe's (MAPEI Ultraflex 2 white powder polymer-modified mortar). I have a feeling, he won't be scraping between the tiles. I think he is concerned about the time it is taking. I've already had to adjust my original design to get a decent outside ...»

    corner. (He mitered the tiles so that the grout line on the outside corner isn't huge. Because this took more time, I had to go without tile in an area I had originally planned to have him tile or pay more.)

    It is located between the backsplash and my cooktop, which is a very narrow space. So you're saying it is possible to get it off by scraping without damaging the granite?

    on Jun 25, 2012 · Like 0
  • Woodbridge Environmental ... Colonia, NJ
    Yes if done carefully with a sharp razor blade it should be able to be removed fairly quick.

    Even if the job took longer then expected, He did give you a price to do it one way. Or were you paying by the hour? He should do the job correctly regardless of how much more work it was in the end. Its not like he opened a wall up and found something that is was not aware of. That I can understand. But with tile on a blank wall, there is little surprise on what its going to take to do ...»

    this job properly.

    In any case, careful cleaning should do the trick. You can even use a real stiff scrubbing brush to remove the cement. Its not really that hard. Just takes some time to do.

    on Jun 25, 2012 · Like 2
  • Teresa D Snellville, GA
    "Aaaaaaaaaah!" (that's the sound of angels singing) I've got my kitchen back to myself and the backsplash is finally up. I just have to caulk, replace the outlet covers and seal the grout. So much stress for such a small space! Woodbridge, he was able to get the mortar off the countertop without any noticeable damage.

    Thanks again for the support, encouragement and not making me feel bad for whining. :-)

    • Point where I gave up
    • Point where I stopped 1st contractor. You can't see the bad cuts from this distance and design was beginning to remind me of an Argyle sweater.
    • Went with a more random design
    • Still have to decide on cabinet pulls so ignore mismatching handles
    • No more Argyle
    on Jun 26, 2012 · Like 1
  • Leslie D Las Vegas, NV
    Looks great, Teresa! Folks who have never tried don't realize how difficult it is to do a backsplash when you're leaning over between cabinets and countertop to do the work. It ties in with your granite very well!
    on Jun 26, 2012 · Like 1
  • Culpepper Carpets and Int... Atlanta, GA
    Yeah Teresa!!! You got it done & it looks great!!!
    on Jun 26, 2012 · Like 1
  • Marg C Middletown, NY
    it looks beautiful Teresa :} I like the random tiles too. glad you have your kitchen back and the ordeal is over. :)
    on Jun 26, 2012 · Like 1
  • Woodbridge Environmental ... Colonia, NJ
    When is the party!
    on Jun 26, 2012 · Like 2
  • Brandon K Vineland, NJ
    Awesome! We knew you could do it!
    on Jun 27, 2012 · Like 2
  • Sharron W Memphis, TN
    AWESOME! So happy that YOU're happy with the final result! I really like the mix of materials you chose, and the pattern is a nice play on the pattern in your granite!
    on Jun 27, 2012 · Like 1
  • Jaye L Brighton, CO
    Theresa it looks awesome! I'm so with you though about how easy it is to be sidetracked when things don't go as planned! Following one of my favortite blogger's que (CentsationalGirl.com) I decided to pull of the ugly carpet off my stairs and redo them with wood. So far: I have fallen down said stairs and now need about $1000 worth of dental work, spilled almost an entire can of dark, dark, dark stain all over everything - walls, floors, new stair treads,etc, and ruined a table nearby ...»
    when a screwdriver fell on it! I'm ready to give up. I am not new to DIY so I'm not sure why these things are happening! I feel like the project has been jinxed from the get go and now I can't even stand to look at this less than halfway finished project!!! Just trying to refresh, regroup and refocus at this point! Glad you got your project finished though. Tiling the entire first floor is my project after this one! At this rate, I'll probably cut a finger off on my tile saw!

    on Jul 02, 2012 · Like 0
  • Marg C Middletown, NY
    omg Jaye...that is awful :( I sure hope you can get it together soon and complete that miserable project :S. I said that because I'm sure that's what you call it , lol. And for goodness sake, be careful with that saw!!!!
    on Jul 02, 2012 · Like 0
  • Teresa D Snellville, GA
    Jaye. Thanks for the compliment and sharing your mishap. Hang in there. I didn't physically injure myself but I can imagine the frustration, embarrassment and fear you're going through. Sometimes I just wanted to cry - because I expected more from myself, because it was proving more difficult than I had anticipated, because others had done it themselves, surely I could do it, and because I had people close to me doubting I could do it and no one helped. I wound up having someone do ...»
    it for me and although I'm not 100% happy with what I ended up with, I'm glad it's over. I can live with it. And frankly, kudos to me for actually trying to do something I've never tried before. I learned from it.

    So, I say to you, KUDOS for being brave enough to go for it! Despite your setback, whether you decide to finish it yourself or hire someone to just get it done so you can move on to the next thing, don't feel bad. Consider the old saying, "you can't win them all" and think about all the other things you've done yourself and how great they turned out. Keep that confidence! You won't lose any fingers. Take your time and regroup. You'll do great!

    on Jul 02, 2012 · Like 1
  • Sharron W Memphis, TN
    @Jaye L. How old is your house? Perhaps the trouble has more to do with a previous owners attachment to the carpeting and/or the way it looked previously than with your inepness...I'm not really superstitious, but I've seen some strange things occur in really old homes and frankly in not so old homes as well...I could tell you a story about revamping my inlaws house after my FIL passed away... and the broom whapping me on the head when I made a not so kind, (it was supposed to be funny) ...»
    comment. So consider asking permission from the powers that be...As I have been told many times; there are things on heaven and earth that we may never understand... But I do try to respect the memories of previous occupants and so far so good...Do try again and don't let the negativity hold you back. Look at the spill as an opportunity to change some of your other decor as well and that may help you release some of your fear and trepidation about trying again.Good Luck and good thoughts to you!

    on Jul 03, 2012 · Like 2
  • Jaye L Brighton, CO
    Thanks Marg C. I got back on the horse yesterday and actually got alot done - well, that is after REPAINTING everything that the stain splashed all over! And Teresa - you hit the nail on the head! It is frustration at myself over not being able to do this! This is NOT heart surgery, for goodness sakes! Sharron W, my house isn't that old - maybe about 8 years but I have actually thought the same thing! I'm trying to remember if I gave any bad karma out and it's coming 'round to bite me ...»
    in the butt! I don't think so - I try really hard not to send negative karma out. You know what's interesting is that my wonderful sister, Nancy Jo passed away right at the beginning of this fiasco - I wonder if it's her pranking me!

    on Jul 03, 2012 · Like 2
  • Sharron W Memphis, TN
    @Jaye or perhaps trying to get your attention....Talk to her while you work and you'll know soon enough...
    on Jul 04, 2012 · Like 1
  • Jaye L Brighton, CO
    Well, my first conversation would be "Damn Nancy Jo, don't just stand there - pick up a hammer! :-)
    on Jul 04, 2012 · Like 3
  • Marg C Middletown, NY
    hahahaha!
    on Jul 04, 2012 · Like 0
  • Jaye L Brighton, CO
    This is me and Nancy Jo at Gettysburg. Not the best pic but the last one we have together. She's on the left.
    on Jul 05, 2012 · Like 2
  • Sharron W Memphis, TN
    HaHaHa....now that's funny!
    on Jul 06, 2012 · Like 0

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