I also agree with tiling under the appliances, but disagree with Peace Painting about painting last. I would paint before putting in cabinets, appliances, etc., so you don't have to worry about dripping paint on these items (plus it's easier to paint without having to work around cabinets, etc.
My husband and I tiled our kitchen last year( we arent wuite ready for the whole she-bang of a remodel yet) and we took everything out and tiled the WHOLE kitchen. Of course, we wouldnt know what size cabinets, appliances, etc. but we had already decided it was the only way to go to tile the whole room. I, too, would paint while you have nothing in there so you arent stuck with taping and a lot of messy clean up afterwards!!
Think you're right on, Hudson & Steve! Always leave yourself with the most options by laying flooring & painting under and behind almost everything...even the best laid plans sometimes need a little wiggle room! (you may also need to recalculate height of cabinets and/or appliances with the flooring included)
We have some examples of our latest kitchen remodel in stages - You might find it helpful: http://bit.ly/nN1o8k
I have worked on many kitchens where tile and hardwoods were installed after the cabinet were put in....a simple thing like swapping out a dishwasher becomes an all day cabinet surgery/ counter partial demo fest...Gut, paint, tile then install.
Congrats on undertaking this project. I agree that you should DEFINITELY tile under all appliances...its very simple but worthwhile undertaking since you are going to gut the kitchen. Also I would paint prior to installing the cabinets, appliances and flooring...then you dont have to worry about any drips or splatters, you should have minor touch-up if any of the walls get scratched. The suggested order: Demo, paint(walls ceiling) install flooring,install cabinets and counter
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tops,lighting and appliances last. Please post before and after pictures! TMW
Don't forget about potential lighting changes and new power supply to new appliances before you get to the very end and realize you have to cut drywall and ruin your new paint. Just seems to be one of the things people do out of order. Good Luck!!
Interesting arguments, Ms. Kitchen Artworks. Still, I think KMS makes a good point about replacing appliances, etc. I would guess that in general, you will replace cabinets and appliances before replacing a tile floor.
I worked in many homes in the New Orleans area where the cabinets were flooded and damaged, but tile flooring was still in good condition. It took some very creative mosaic work (thankfully we
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had a brilliant mosaic artist on the volunteer staff) to fill the gaps between the existing tile and the new off-the-shelf cabinets we were installing.
I install both cabinets and flooring ( tile and hardwoods) and yes it is way easier to install the entire room when its empty...but from a cosmetics standpoint, Flooring installed under the cabinets always looks better. Even the best flooring installs need a little gap between the Flooring and the toe kick...with tile this gap is grouted and looks pretty good. With a hardwood install a trim stick is needed as this 1/8 to 1/4" gap is required for proper expansion and contraction
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space...this trim is often 1/4 round or cove molding...which to me looks clunky and makes the cabinet install look cheap.
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In many of the kitchen remodels I do the existing flooring stays...so the layout of the cabinets is "set -in stone" matching old tile or weaving in new hardwood is way more trouble. If the original install was done through out the entire floor then your options for moving the range 6" to the left or tweaking the cabinet layout becomes easy.
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I can only think of one example where having floor not be under the cabinets is better...in the case of a hardwood kitchen install....(which is not recommended in my book) If the kitchen experiences a leak. (sink, dishwasher ice-maker RO system etc) ..and the hardwood swells and buckles and needs to then be replaced.... not having it under the cabinets does make that repair easier...
We just finished a kitchen remodel and chose NOT to tile under the cabinets for a variety of reasons (downtime of kitchen, the fact that it's the main entry to our home, lack of a place to store our seats-10 table) - however, we used Ikea cabinets, so our bottom cabinets are on adjustable legs rather than fully enclosed to the floor. This will come in handy later if we replace the floor (wood is on our radar) because won't have to rip out the cabinets to do it right. We tiled under the
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dishwasher, stove, and refrigerator. I wish we had time to paint before the cabinets and counters went in, but our schedules didn't work out that way (this was 95% DIY). That said, since we did a tile backsplash, we didn't even paint that area, so drips on the counters were a non-issue. We did paint before we did the floors and it was nice to not have to worry about drips there.
The floor is always the last thing to be dane and yes tile under the appliances. you want all the trades out of the room before the floors go in you sometimes may need to touch up a little paint after the flooring is installed. Good Luck with your project this is a good one.
Definatly tile under appliances, before cabinets go in etc. Otherwise your cutting around everything and putting a shoe molding on to cover the gaps. Plus you'll have trouble getting your appliances out for cleaning behind them (refrigerator) Built in dishwasher will be impossible
to me ,,,its sounds good ,,but only if the cabinets are on some smal lturned legs or plain ,,to expose the craftsmanship thru out,,take out were the kick plate is,,,, just picture it takes from regular cabs to furniture pieces ..it always looks hokey to me to try to put shoemold to tile ,you never get the junk from the grout lines cleaned at that point ,,
Cabinets, Counters and plumbing should be done together.
I also agree with tiling under the appliances, but disagree with Peace Painting about painting last. I would paint before putting in cabinets, appliances, etc., so you don't have to worry about dripping paint on these items (plus it's easier to paint without having to work around cabinets, etc.
We have some examples of our latest kitchen remodel in stages - You might find it helpful: http://bit.ly/nN1o8k
I worked in many homes in the New Orleans area where the cabinets were flooded and damaged, but tile flooring was still in good condition. It took some very creative mosaic work (thankfully we ...»
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In many of the kitchen remodels I do the existing flooring stays...so the layout of the cabinets is "set -in stone" matching old tile or weaving in new hardwood is way more trouble. If the original install was done through out the entire floor then your options for moving the range 6" to the left or tweaking the cabinet layout becomes easy.
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I can only think of one example where having floor not be under the cabinets is better...in the case of a hardwood kitchen install....(which is not recommended in my book) If the kitchen experiences a leak. (sink, dishwasher ice-maker RO system etc) ..and the hardwood swells and buckles and needs to then be replaced.... not having it under the cabinets does make that repair easier...