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Lindsay B
Lindsay B Bunnell, FL on Sep 15, 2011
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I live in North Central Florida and have given up on St.

Augustine. I've mulched, decked & pebbled as much as I can, but still need a grassy area for my dogs. I've looked at the UF ag website and can't get a real read on what they recommend for this area. I don't have an irrigation system and wouldn't want to use water on the yard on a regular basis anyway. What's my best bet for drought & disease tolerance? Initial sod expense & maintenence isn't an issue. I just want some nice grass! Thanks!
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  • Douglas Hunt New Smyrna Beach, FL
    That's a tough call, Lindsay. First of all, no lawn does well as an activity area for dogs. The best-looking grass can be torn up quickly by active dogs, not to mention the toll of their bodily functions. Normally, I would say Zoysia would be a good bet for you, but if you have no intentions of watering regularly and we have more of the kind of dry spells we have had this year, neither you nor the lawn will be happy. Bahia has very good drought-tolerance, but less good traffic tolerance, ...»
    so perhaps your best bet is to try it and see how it stands up. Good luck!

    on Sep 16, 2011 · Like 2
  • Hoffner Nursery & Landsca... Orlando, FL
    Bahia seems to be your only choice, I think Douglas has you on the correct path
    on Sep 16, 2011 · Like 2
  • N N Tampa, FL
    I'd certainly try bahia, but I can definately say do NOT try zoysia. I recently installed zoysia after hearing it was 'drought and disease tolerant'. I've now learned it is called drought tolerant because after a drought, it bounces back like bahia when it does get water, but it requires a lot of water to stay green. It is slow growing and doesn't spread or cover empty spots, leaving lots of spots for weeds to settle in. Not a good choice unless you've got unlimited water and lots of time to pamper it.

    on Sep 22, 2011 · Like 1
  • Lindsay B Bunnell, FL
    Thanks, everybody! One of my neighbors installed zoysia and guess I've got grass envy! Does anybody have any knowledge of centipede? That's what we have where I work and it seems to stay green all year with zero maintenance, no chemicals & just rainfall. Bahia's my last resort. (PS, dogs are small & their running area is pebbled. And is it the male or female urine that's most damaging?)
    on Sep 22, 2011 · Like 0
  • Fred E Orlando, FL
    Centipede is a lower maintenance turf. Requires 2 feedings per year, use a low nitrogen fert and no phosphate. Requires weed control formulated for centipede and does not handle traffic well. It can handle moderate drought, but does best with 1" - 2" of watering per week. It can be grown from seed, so bare areas can be re-seeded. Female urine is most damaging due to the higher concentration from squating vs adult males who lift their leg to urinate.
    on Sep 22, 2011 · Like 1
  • Lindsay B Bunnell, FL
    Thanks, Fred! But the centipede where I work gets NO fertilization, NO weed control, nothing. The area I'm re-sodding is pretty much no-traffic, except for the dogs. And there's no ph diff in their urine, just concentration? Makes sense. So centipede or bahia?
    on Sep 22, 2011 · Like 0
  • Douglas Hunt New Smyrna Beach, FL
    Lindsay, here is the University of Florida Extension Service's report on centipede. I'm surprised it doesn't turn brown without irrigation where you work, but maybe you get much more rain than we do here at the beach. Its color is generally not great, so if you go with centipede you might want to seek out the cultivar "Covington," which has better color that also holds longer into the fall.

    http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/lh009

    on Sep 23, 2011 · Like 1
  • Hoffner Nursery & Landsca... Orlando, FL
    I have found when a customer is having problems with Zoysia; the problem is the installer's lack of knowledge on the turf. All of the benefits of Zoysia comes once the grass has rooted down and filled in, this is a slow growing turf and will need 3-5 months before all of the benefits kick in. Most installers in Florida are familiar to St Augustine which will root down in a couple of weeks in the growing season, this does not happen with Zoysia. Because of the slow growth rate of Empire, ...»
    becoming efficient at picking up water comes when the roots reach much deeper than St Augustine. I have had Zoysia in my personal yard for 5 years and until this spring it was not fertilized or had weed or disease control, if that was St Augustine it would have died many times over. Zoysia must be babied for the first months, you must have good irrigation coverage and your customers will still have to water hot spots until established. Once established( 3-5 months) it is awesome!

    on Sep 23, 2011 · Like 1
  • Karen G Palm Bay, FL
    Just to add my two cents...unless you have an HOA situation, you are allowed to have a weedy lawn. I have a large German Shepherd and decided years ago to let mine go. I have a mix of native (and not-so-native) grasses and weeds that I mow like a lawn. It's green most of the time, even in winter, when most of my neighbors lawns are brown. It does go a bit reddish at times, but it holds up to the dog! It's bio-diverse, easy maintenance, environmentally friendly, and, best of all, CHEAP! And driving by at 30 mph. it looks just fine!

    on Sep 23, 2011 · Like 1
  • Douglas Hunt New Smyrna Beach, FL
    I have Zoysia as well and the only problems I have had were when there were issues with my irrigation system and some of it was not getting enough water. When that got fixed, the problem cleared up quickly.
    on Sep 23, 2011 · Like 1
  • Fred E Orlando, FL
    Linday, my response for the centipede is one of what this turf requires to look it's best. It is a low maintenance turf, but not a no maintenance turf. Bahia is the lowest maintenance turfs that grows in Florida...this is why the DOT uses it in the medians of the highways, it is for that reason.
    on Sep 24, 2011 · Like 1
  • Lindsay B Bunnell, FL
    Thanks again, guys! And Karen, my front yard is nothing BUT nicely edged & mowed weeds, I gave up on grass there ages ago! It's way too much expense & effort. But I spend a lot of time on the back porch and really want to see at least one small area (30 X 40) of nice lawn. So, what's the vote: Centipede or Zoysia?
    on Sep 24, 2011 · Like 0
  • Douglas Hunt New Smyrna Beach, FL
    Lindsay, Zoysia will give you the kind of lawn you want to sit and look at, or walk through barefoot, but I would not recommend it if you do not intend to water it. Neither it nor you will be happy.
    on Sep 25, 2011 · Like 1
  • Karen G Palm Bay, FL
    Zoysia is lovely, but Douglas is right-it needs water regularly. Centipede will probably not fill in as nicely-tends to have bare patches naturally.
    on Sep 25, 2011 · Like 1
  • Lindsay B Bunnell, FL
    OK, You all and the sod guy convinced me bahia was the way to go. It looks awful now, but I'm assured this Austrailian Bahia is the way to go, that I'll be loving my yard in 2 weeks! Well see....
    on Oct 05, 2011 · Like 0
  • Douglas Hunt New Smyrna Beach, FL
    Post a photo for us when that happens!
    on Oct 06, 2011 · Like 0

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