Asked on Feb 26, 2012

Walter, Erica, and all you horticulture experts...What is this weed thriving in our pasture? How do we get rid of it?

PattyCher BErica Glasener
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How long should the horses stay off of it after we treat the weeds with a chemical and which one should we use?
This ugly thing is spreading everywhere, why won't the grass grow this well?
This ugly thing is spreading everywhere, why won't the grass grow this well?
q walter erica and all you horticulture experts what is this weed thriving in our, gardening, landscape
q walter erica and all you horticulture experts what is this weed thriving in our, gardening, landscape
q walter erica and all you horticulture experts what is this weed thriving in our, gardening, landscape
39 answers
  • Caitlin M
    on Feb 26, 2012

    I don't know! But I just noticed some in my yard too! Hopefully someone will come along and inform us...

  • Terri J
    on Feb 28, 2012

    Take your pictures to Lowes Garden Center. They have a book of almost every plant/weed under the sun and many animal friendly chemicals. Be ware though - I had to have my mare put down for eating some kind of weed in the pasture that attacked her central nervous system and she could not keep on her feet. Also, you could ask your vet the same questions about how long to keep the horses away. Good luck!

  • Southern Trillium LLC
    on Feb 28, 2012

    I looked through several of my weed ID books, but I did not find an exact match. I could not find anything that had the same edges on the leaf blades that your photos show. You can try to ID it on this website. It does get quite technical, but you can always select 'Don't Know' and it should help narrow the list. http://web2.ento.vt.edu/servlet/wid?table=grasses

  • Thank you all for the helpful advice.

  • Douglas Hunt
    on Feb 28, 2012

    Lee Anne, here is a chart of the grazing restrictions for a number of common herbicides. This information should be on the label on the herbicide as well. I found it a little disturbing that widely used Roundup has far and away the longest period of time you should keep animals away. http://dumpbear.com/Forestry/Herbicide/2-4DandHorses.pdf You really should know the weed before applying an herbicide and I have to admit yours has me stumped as well. If there's one fairly near you, I would recommend taking a clump to your local Cooperative Extension office. Here is a list by county: http://extension.uga.edu/about/county/index.cfm

  • Walter Reeves
    on Feb 28, 2012

    OK - I have three expert opinions (two PHD's and one Masters degree). One says may be a member of the Senecio species, one says a member of the dock family and one says it looks a lot like Stachys densiflora...but isn't. All agree that the photos are excellent but that final ID would come from seeing a flower. Since it's a broadleafed plant you could control it with Weedmaster.

  • Erica Glasener
    on Feb 28, 2012

    I am not a weed expert but it does look like it could be a senecio species now that you mention it. Keep us posted, yes we need the flowers.

  • Surrounding Landscapes Inc.
    on Feb 28, 2012

    This is a good one! you had me searching for awhile and still clueless. hope someone IDs it.....Im interested to find out.

  • Thank you all! Walter please thank your associates for me. You have all gone to a lot of trouble, I really thought it would be a common weed. They are really rampant in our pasture, so when the little beasties do bloom...it will be a floral garden! I can not express my appreciation for your help.

  • Mr Doc the horse should know!

  • Doc is so lazzzy, he prefers to have is hay delivered!

  • Bonnie B
    on Mar 1, 2012

    Lee Anne: Does Georgia have a Horticular website? Or, perhaps, a Master Gardener's website? If so, it might be of some help. Otherwise, please give Mr. Doc rubs, hugs & kisses from a California advid animal lover ~~ ! Good Luck & I wish you success in finding that answer.

  • Terry
    on Mar 1, 2012

    Just wondering aloud ... instead of spraying a plant poison ON the offending plant, what about using one of those devices that has a syringe on the bottom? So the plant poison is injected into the root area. This way the horse should not be in danger because the poison kills the roots which makes the plant die due to lack of water and nutrients. Terry Thomas / Dunwoody Organic Gardens

  • Terry, that is a marvelous Idea, but it is 5 acres and they have popped up about every 5 feel. We can keep the horses in the arena and hay them for a month or longer to be sure. Thank you Bonnie, we love our animals too. I think we will spray with weed killer that is recommended for pastures and keep them off as stated above.

  • Terry
    on Mar 3, 2012

    Lee Anne, doesn't it sound as though the horses are eating something then ummm ... "distributing" the seeds themselves? :-)

  • No, the pasture is new and does not sustain them, therefore they hang around the arena where the hay roll is. The manure is mostly up there & we scoop it & put it in a pile for gardening.

  • Let's dream that dream together!!!

  • Terri J
    on Mar 3, 2012

    If so, will you share the wealth with all? I just need enough to level my backyard?!

  • Nyomi R
    on Mar 3, 2012

    They kind of look like a little bit like a 1st generation, slightly deformed from dehydration (maybe), type of Hosta. That's the closest thing that I can think of them coming to looking like. And Hosta's grow like wild fire. That's pretty much the only thing that I could find that looks vaguely familiar to your picture and (plus we have neighbors with tons of them, so we see them in all weather), and I read what I could find online. Good luck!!!!

  • Thank you Nyomi, what ever they are is useless in a pasture, as the horses do not eat them. Yes Terri, we can spend it together on our DIY projects, mine are going to last me the rest of my days to complete!

  • Walter Reeves
    on Mar 25, 2012

    LA - any progress on identifying this plant?

  • Thank you Walter. I am afraid not, and no flowers have appeared. The weed are abundant and we are wondering if they came from the chicken manure that Greg spread? He sprayed some with a chemical & the wilted a little. He is looking into buying a spray that chemically nourishes the soil? I will send him this link so that he can ask your opinion.

  • Walter Reeves
    on Apr 3, 2012

    OK - keep us posted!

  • Okay Walter, it has a yellow flower now. Here is a photo.

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  • Terri J
    on Apr 5, 2012

    When ya'all figure out what it is, please let me know. i think some birds dropped some seeds off around here on their way north. Between blue/purple/white/yellow weeds (floweres), I will soon have a very colorful yard!

  • Sheila, is there anything that you cannot do? I think you nailed it! It sure looks like our weed & fits the description. Walter, what do you think?

  • Nyomi R
    on Apr 27, 2012

    Lee Anne, I was just checking out that website above for the "Prickly Lettuce" and I'm not totally convinced that that is what you have. I hate being a bubble burster, but let me do a little more research and check back in with you.

  • Nyomi R
    on Apr 27, 2012

    http://www.ppws.vt.edu/scott/weed_id/lacse.htm http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/WEEDS/prickly_lettuce.html http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/03-041.htm http://montana.plant-life.org/species/lactuca_serrio.htm Here are 4 Different links to "Prickly Lettuce". Although it looks similar to what you have, the patterns of the flowering is different and the plant itself is a lot more narrow. Also, this plant does not flower until between July and September. There is a lot of information in the 4 links that I have provided. Read through them when you get a chance. This should help you be able to determine whether is is or ISN'T for SURE "Prickly Lettuce". Good luck and keep us posted. I have some books that I don't think are packed away yet (I'm in the process of moving), and If I have a chance today, I will try and see if I can find your mystery plant in one of them. Also, keep in mind, that this may not be a "Weed" at all. It may be a regular plant that is just a "pest" to you because it is taking over your pasture. We may be looking in all the wrong places by looking under the "weed" category.

  • Nyomi, I have been reading some of your posts & want to tell you how much I have enjoyed them. Thank you for your research and thoughtful comments. The weeds are now in full bloom, they actually look pretty...LOL!!! They are about 2 to 3 feet tall with lots of golden flowers. I will be home this weekend & will post photos of the beasts.

  • Walter Reeves
    on Apr 28, 2012

    Please do post more...this continues to intrigue me, particularly because the yellow flowers seem to be arranged in a whorl at the top of the stem.

  • I will take photos tomorrow & post, thank you.

  • Okay Walter, here are my floral weeds!

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  • Erica Glasener
    on Apr 30, 2012

    Lee Ann, I think you have ragwort, the scientific name of the genus is Senecio. I believe this is an invasive exotic pest (what a term!) but the flowers sure are pretty. I can't swear to the particular species but the ferny foliage with flowers looks like Senecio. Here is a link with some photos. This plant causes allergies for some and I thought it usually blooms later but it has been a crazy spring with things blooming a month or six weeks earlier than in previous years. Hope this helps. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Common+Ragwort&FORM=R5FD#x0y0

  • Oh my gosh! I think you nailed it! How do I kill the blasted stuff & not hurt the horses? I can keep them in the upper arena for a week or so. Thank you!

  • Walter Reeves
    on May 1, 2012

    OK - after more searching I think it is Packera paupercula (syn Senecio pauperculus). I base this on the toothed margin to the young leaves we saw in LA's very first post. Erica - your thoughts?

  • Thank you both for taking on this challenge. I want to find out what to use to get rid of them, they are rampant.

    • GrandmaCarol Speight
      on Feb 7, 2015

      @Culpepper Carpets and Interiors, Inc. soooooooooooo? what was the outcome/result? .....both with identifying the plant (possitivly and termination methods used)?

  • Erica Glasener
    on May 1, 2012

    I agree it is a Senecio or Packera but not certain on the species. Either way it is a pest for Lee Anne.

  • Cher B
    on Aug 11, 2015

    For those that run across this thread (as I just did!) 3 yrs. later. This plant is Packera paupercula, or Packera anonyma aka Small's ragwort. I had it in my pasture here in northeast TN. It is native to the entire Piedmont area. From our Ag agent: "Many members of the senecio genus are poisonous and can cause an ailment known as seneciosis. They are known to contain some combination of liver-damaging pyrrolizidine alkaloids such as jacobine, retrorsine, senecifoline, and senecine. Livestock or humans that ingest Small’s Groundsel can exhibit symptoms that include jaundice, cirrhosis of the liver, phtosensitization, and central nervous system disruptions such as clumsiness and confusion" . Well when I read THAT, I went on a mission to rid the pasture of it. Started out with digging up (at the roots) as many as I could (at first). Which was rather futile! This stuff breeds/spreads faster than RABBITS!!! So, I opted for our fave home made weed killer (safe for use around humans & animals!) Here's our recipe: In a 2 gallon pump sprayer (our weapon of choice as its light weight enough when filled for me to use) 2 cups Epsom salts, 1 gallon vinegar, 1 gallon water, 1/8 cup original blue Dawn dish soap. It took 2 applications on each clump, but it got it!!

  • Patty
    on Sep 3, 2016

    If anyone has an issue like this in the future, Contact your local County Extension Office (Google, phone book, or college will direct). You can email them a pic or take a sample in. You can do the same with any plant or tree. They can also diagnose any disease and tell you how to treat. Soil samples can be taken in as well to discover pH prior to planting as many plants grow best in a certain pH range.

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