Old rugs...help identify please

Sfg178760
by Sfg178760
Does anyone know anything about these rugs we picked up at Auctions in Vermont? One does have a tag that I think says "Made in Iran" but it could be Iraq...it is VERY faded. So I know around where it is from, not sure style/village though or age. It is in bit of rough condition, but one of the reasons we like it. The other said it was Native American, but I just saw rugs in Mexico that looked similar. Not sure if it is real or not, but it looks VERY Nicely made. And I'm wondering about the age of it too. Of course, I would love to not the value of both, not super important as we are not selling them.
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  • Linda Hunt Linda Hunt on Feb 28, 2016
    Ever since all the trouble in the area the easiest way to find out about rugs that come from Iran and Iraq is to look them up using the words Persian and Mesopotamia. To sell these gorgeous rugs in North America after the first horror show with the Shah, dealers here stopped using the original country names. Capture the picture and do a "reverse picture" look up in Google. Since the patterns are usually centuries-old, this is a much easier way than word descriptions. I do hope this helps you. You can also do the same with the Navajo "looking" one, as those carpets are made throughout a large area down in the southern part of North America.
  • Cj Avery Cj Avery on Feb 29, 2016
    Top one looks like Hopi tribe American native.....might Google it go too their site have them verify it and any tags or markings.
  • Kathryn Wyant Kathryn Wyant on Mar 03, 2016
    The top rug is either traditional Hopi or possibly of Navajo design as the elements are there. If you type "traditional hopi rug design in your search bar you will find similar patterns. The bottom rug may be Persian but the design looks rather modern so I am not sure. If you type in "traditional persian rug designs" and hit search you can see what I mean about the second rug. It too has traditional elements but is simplified. That is why I thought it might be modern.
    • Sfg178760 Sfg178760 on Mar 03, 2016
      @Thank You Kathryn Wyant --- I have googled them...but just not sure about it. I will use your google search words and try again. Thanks again.
  • JOHNNY JOHNNY on Mar 04, 2016
    American Indian rugs might be identified by a dealer in your area, who deal in American Indian artifact's, there is one I have dealt with in Laguna, California. just look it up, on Pacific Coast Highway, very good. From picture's I do no hink they are old
    • Sfg178760 Sfg178760 on Mar 24, 2016
      @JOHNNY I am in Chicago, rugs are in FL...I asked about them at a rug place after I bought them and they wanted 75.00 per rug for an appraisal. That is steep if you ask me...especially I bought one for way way less and the other just a bit more than that.
  • Johnchip Johnchip on Mar 05, 2016
    I just had to sell off a family estate with some very important rugs. The antique market has dropped out. Do not expect much for an oriental if anything, even near museum quality. The American native if truley old may have good value.
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    • Sfg178760 Sfg178760 on Apr 04, 2016
      Did you say something mean or inappropriate as it was reported and deleted?? Did I say something to anger you?
  • Sandra Sandra on Mar 06, 2016
    If you live near an oriental rug shop, take them in and ask what they know about them. If you have no store near you look one up on the Internet, call them and ask if you send pictures will they help you identify them. I will tell you that if its Iranian it most likely is not something less than 40 years old because of sanctions. I suppose they could come in through China or some other country we trade with. If someone was leaving Iran during that time and bought a rug with them the Iranians have restrictions on the kinds of rugs that can leave and the size of most rugs. I lived there in the early '90's and there were rugs I could not bring out of the country. So, the best way to find out about your rug is a good dealer. I love that rug!
    • Sfg178760 Sfg178760 on Mar 24, 2016
      I'm curious about this now...not for my rugs but my mother inlaws. She is from Iran and has several rugs in her home that her parents brought with them when they came here in the 1950s. I doubt they are really much older than that thought, although I have no idea. Thank you...I love it too....even in the shape it is in. I do think it is a Persian kilim.
  • Sandra Sandra on Mar 06, 2016
    I just went looking for a sight you might want to check out. I don't think I saw your rug. It's called "rugman.com". I have been thinking about the pattern, which I love. It's impossible to read the label on your picture. Looking at your rug, I also noticed the knot count was not very high. In case you don't know about that, it is the number of knots across per inch. If I am right about that, it could be it is a caucas rug. I hope you let us know what you find out.
  • Sfg178760 Sfg178760 on Mar 24, 2016
    Thanks everyone! I did ask a dealer and they wanted 75.00 per rug for an appraisal. I'm not even sure they are worth that much.
  • Sfg178760 Sfg178760 on Mar 24, 2016
    Oh, I found this old book I forgot I bought. From what I read and since the tag says Iran, I think it is a Persian Kilim. The geometric design is known coming from Turkey, all other places do it too. I still want to figure out age, out of curiosity worth and any other info on it. It is not in great shape, but I've seen worse.
  • She11107575 She11107575 on Oct 09, 2016
    Native American includes Mexico because Mexico is part of America. America is just NOT the US. Central and south America are America too. Duh!
    • Sfg178760 Sfg178760 on Oct 24, 2016
      Really? I hear you as I have lived in Honduras...and I get it, but how I do identify Natives from the US only...as Indigenous People/Tribes from the US are different from those of Mexico, Honduras and all the countries if from the top of North America to the tip of South America! United States Ingenious People? Ingenious of the U.S.? As may some not like it, citizens of the US are mostly called Americans around the world...sorry Mexico, Central and South Americans. I travel a lot and when asked I tell people I am from the United States as much as possible rather than "American". What do you call people from the United States of America?????