I have used it on wood and it has worked well. I'm certain it will perform the same on concrete, just put it on heavy. And pressure clean first.
Post some pics if you do!
you would be better off using a stain or dye, the paint is going to wear off eventually. It is not going to wear evenly or be something that can be touched up.
I have had more experience with this product than most. We applied it on a pool deck and it just about broke my team. It's like moving glue around. There should be photos on my profile page of an install on a pool deck. Whe we placed it on a large slab it would never lay down properly. It looked like freshly vacuumed shag rugs, and no, the client was not thrilled. Knowing what I know now, I would roll down the first coat and spray down the second coat with a texture hopper gun. We also had slip issues as this is an acrylic based material and after a month the client felt it was still too slippery. The mfg said it could take a month to fully cure. Not sure it ever gained its full slip resistant quality. So avoid large slabs where you'll always see the roller marks. On wood deck boards it's just fine, just a bit more slippery than competing solutions. Good luck!
I wonder if it could be broomed smooth like we do the decks.
It's like working with concrete.
I would think if you rolled it, the last pass would have to be all in the same direction, lifting the roller and bringing it back.
It does not work well to apply it in sun.
We worked directly with the factory in Clarkston, GA., visiting them to learn the "proper and approved" application methods. They do not recommend brooming it. Its more like glue than concrete. I'd hate to have put a broom on it only to find it worse than before. They, at the time, did not even approve shooting it out of a hopper gun. Last I heard, they are telling some folks to add water to the mix. I will not use it on large concrete pads.
I'll stick to the wood decks and small pads. Amazing, Thanks.
thank you so much, you have saved me a lot of time and money.
yes I agree thank you so much for your input
thanks so much for your suggestion, I have a nice size concrete patio any suggestions for a specific stain and how do I apply the stain?
Mary, the best suggestion i can give you if your going to try and stain your patio yourself is watch some You Tube videos and read as much as you can online about the different type of concrete stains and dyes. Theres no eraser if you mess up so practice a little and read as much as you can to get an idea of what you are doing before trying the patio.
thats a really good idea, I will definately do that.
kemiko stain's avail to diy'ers,,, the best resource of acid-stains is a distributor/supplier w/personal hands-on experience particularly in slab prep,,, don't make the mistake of trying to stain a dry slab w/1-time application,,, best to stain wet & use several light coats,,, cleaning residual mineral salts is critical prior to applying a good sealer.
Sher-Wms also carries concrete stain.
If it is in the sun, you will probably have to redo it in 3-4 years.
its really concrete, have you tried any of the StainZ yet?
sher-wms bought h&c several yrs ago,,, imo, its not as good as kemido,,, i was never a fan of h&c but not so much because it wasn't good as due to the due to many improper uses/installation from untrained personnel,,, painters claim'd the work as mtls were sold by paint stores,,, we were were licensed decorative conc artisans & approached work differently,,, paint is temporary & conc is permanent - StainZ ? nope, never even heard of it either in trade mags OR at world of concrete - we are licensed eliteCrete artisans & tend to stay w/the best stuff for that reason,,, that isn't to say there aren't other good materials avail on the market - just not as many spread across the spectrum & none w/the distributor support network nor the brotherhood of artisans dedicated to improving the craft - i'm retired but still think eC is the best
H&C has to sound pretty mundane to a concrete guy.
It's the only one I know about because it's universally available at the ubiquitous SW paint stores. Knowing some of the numerous pitfalls, we've tried to overkill on the prep conditions.
However now, with the types and complexities of the products available, we nearly always default to you guys.
Charles, in our biz we have to keep our eyes and ears open while maintaining a skeptical view on claims made by material mfgs. We are also Elite Crete certified installers but am not swallowing the entire pitcher of "kool aid" when it comes to their entire line. We generally do not approach a project from within a specific mfg line of product. We examine the project specifics and choose from the quivver of known/proven soutions. Ec is good stuff and we use it, just not for everything. If you have any specific questions, you can always reach out to discuss....
Good to know. I hope the only question I have is, 'can you do this job?'
Amazing improvements, you hit the nail on the head. In this industry I have seen many companies pop up making great claims about their product, only to find out they are full of it! I take all the marketing with a grain of salt and if im interested i will try it and run it through the ringers testing. The only bagged mix i would use for a countertop is Buddy Rhodes, and i would only use that if i had to and i wanted a pressed look. Buddy makes a very good bagged mix, but in my opinion bagged mix's are for home owners who are wanting to do it themselves. Anyone who does it to make a living knows the importance of making your own mix.
I haven't but I painted my patio floor when I lived in Florida, to look like tile, I bought brownish concrete paint and I used regular masking tape every 12 inches one way then I did the same thing the opposite direction, and had made my patio look like it was tile. Cool huh and it was really easy. Maybe I will try to find pictures of this
Thank you so much for all of these great suggestions. I am going to think this decision over before doing it. Michelle it sounds like your patio looked amazing would love to see pics.
Mary there are many different types of stains and dyes on the market. If you will pick which type of stain you want to use acid stain, water based, acetone, etc.. That will make giving you ideas and tricks much easier. If you google concrete stains you will get more info and pictures than you can read in a week. Each has its advantages and disadvantages but you need to see what pictures and designs you like best then you can figure out which type stain will give you that look. Then we can help you with the how to on application. Get ready to be overwhelmed with info, id just find pictures and then ask what kind of stain will give me this..... thats less headache
this is great advice, I am a little overwhelmed already at the choices!
Mary the Restore we started talking about is not easy for a professional much less a homeowner to use. If you are doing it yourself, I would use the concrete stain easily obtainable from the local paint store, where you can also get some helpful advice.
I'm with Peace... the stuff just about wore out my team just laying it down!
A lady called the local paint store this week looking for someone with experience to come fix her deck. A handyman tried to put the stuff on and botched it up. It's really not for non-professional app for wood, much less concrete.
Peace, if they got it at a paint store, its probably the Encore product. Similar, but different. Encore is a blend of cemetitious materials and polymers. You add a top quality latex paint for color and "give". As with Restore. its not easy to apply properly. In this space, I prefer Deck-it from EZ chem. It has additional latex in the mix and manages surface flex better.
SW is now selling a similar product by Gulf Synthetics called 'DeckRevive'
thank you everyone for your input. It really sounds like I would have been in over my head with this product!
You're welcome Mary.
Any ideas moving forward?
well right now I think i will just powerwash the patio,set up my gazebo and lay down an outdoor rug!
That sounds like a good plan.
Thanks again for all the wonderful advice!
i bet that will look just fine and be less of a headache for you.
Peace, that DeckRevive product is like Encore or Deck-it. I'd rate it a distant 3rd in quality and projected results..
It sounds like you know something Amazing that I don't (-:
I was around during the devekopment of these materials.... Its in the details where they work better or not..... Id rank them top to bottom,,, Deck-it, Encore, Deck Revive. At least Deck-it had a PHD chemist tweak it to work better than the others.... Give me a call and I can explain why...
deck revive by gulf synthetics was the invention of jeff moreau who left gulf & now owns encore. as was gulf originally, encore is based/manufactured in cartersville, ga. he's built up a national distribution network & they're doing well. [ no financial interest in any of these products but we tried gulf & wouldn't recommend it/them ]
I wonder if there is an advantage on wood.
Its funny how Deck-it is the best of the bunch, yet has zero marketing dollars behind it. Its all about the chemistry, not pretty pictures and unsubstantiated claims. @ Charles, its all about the materials ability to flex between hot and cold swings and remain bonded. Deck-it has extra Latex in its mix. This is beyond the amount provided by the added paint materials. Without it, the coating and its coated surface will delaminate over time. Regardless, as with any of these materials, you must keep a coat of sealer on the surface or you will see white chalky marks over time from the cement components.
we used the gulf product on our deck & i didn't get a thrill running up my leg ( tnx, chris matthews, for the phrase ),,, encore was/is a much better product imho,,, have to try deck-it next
Does this type of paint work better on smooth concrete?
we just used RESTORE on two cement patio's.... works great... have to use two coats, clients of mine (Realtor) have had it on 4 years, not a chip
!! should ladt 12
I'm about to do the entire concrete patio around my pool using this - in a cobblestone pattern! Best of luck to you and I both!!!
I put it in my garage about four months ago. I have noticed a lot of sand covering the floor after traffic. At first I thought it came from out side but then I realized it is coming from the product. Looks good when it is clean. But I could build a sand castle every two weeks.
you can redo the concrete by putting colored thinset on it and you can stamp it to make different patterns..Check with lowes or home depot for added suggestions. :)
I applied Rust-Oleum Restore to my deck mid August 2013.
We followed the manufacture's instructions religiously. We alsowatched their video for product application. We used Rust-Oleum deck cleanerfor preparation and their special roller for application.
Fast forward to March 2014 and this stuff is peeling andcracking everywhere.
The failure mode is either peeling up in large sheets or itcrumbles when you step on it.
The major problem is that in sections of the deck where it neitherpeels nor crumbles, its removal is all but impossible without destroying thewood decking.
The only thing I can do now is pull up the fir decking andeither replace it (very expensive) or turn the decking over, put it back downand use a conventional stain (labor intensive).
Needless to say, "I am not happy".
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Do you have to do anything with the floor first before you put on the restore?