Asked on Feb 11, 2017

Is this asbestos? Mold? Rot? Anyone have an idea?

Kari
by Kari
just started to rip up bathroom flooring...found this under the vinyl tiles. These are two different tiles and there is a big difference....I would love any thoughts....
  17 answers
  • William William on Feb 11, 2017

    Looks like roofing felt to me. Something that was used under flooring back in the day to prevent water damage to subfloors. A black tar based adhesive was used to glue it down. Pain in the butt to remove.

  • Darlakmeng Darlakmeng on Feb 11, 2017

    It has just gotten wet way to many times and the back of the tile has rotted. We saw this when we ripped up flooring in a house we have bought. Previous tenants ran a shower without a shower curtain.

    • Thelma Travis Thelma Travis on Feb 12, 2017

      Looks like the old style 'black glue' they used to stick floor tiles down to me.....just wear a mask and take the stuff up with cleaner especially for that......I did it years ago and suffered absolutely no reactions. There is a flat style hoe you can use to pop the flooring up with......makes it a faster job.

  • Kari Kari on Feb 11, 2017

    William....how does one remove this??

  • Pat Ruge Pat Ruge on Feb 11, 2017

    If your house was built in the early 50's or earlier, there is a good chance that it is asbestos. I would take some bleach and pour over some of it - if it is mold, you will see the mold "disappear". In either case, asbestos or mold - particularly black mold needs to be handled by a professional. Handling either is very dangerous to your health. A "mold" or an "asbestos" re-mediator will be able to tell you for sure and give you an estimate. I can tell you that asbestos has a kind of a "pressed paper fiber" appearance and is generally an off-white - at least to begin with.

  • William William on Feb 11, 2017

    If your tiles are 9"X 9" square there is asbestos in them. DO NOT TOUCH THEM! Only a licensed asbestos company can remove and dispose of them properly. If they are in good condition and not degraded, you can legally cover them up with another flooring. If they are 12" square there is no asbestos. The black is felt roofing paper and in use up to the present. No danger of asbestos. If your tiles are not asbestos the only way to remove the felt paper and adhesive is scraping as much as you can, than sand with a power sander and coarse sandpaper to get down to raw wood. If the subfloor under the tiles is plywood, what I have done is cut down through the tiles and subfloor with a circular saw. Then I remove the subfloor in small sections. Then lay down new subfloor.

    • D41 D41 on Feb 13, 2017

      If you are afraid they might be asbestos be very careful not to breathe in any of the dust related to them. The way the asbestos is released is through the tiles breaking. Use proper mask, ventilation and dispose of as hazardous waste (please don't just chuck in the garbage!). Bag, bag again and take to hazardous waste depot.

  • Kari Kari on Feb 12, 2017

    They are about 6 by 6....thanks everyone...

  • Kari Kari on Feb 12, 2017

    my fiancé wants to cut down past the plywood underneath and just put down new subfloor, but I kind of want to glue the tiles back into place and try painting the vinyl floor...have read where a lot of people say it can be done with proper prep work....and I would really like to try that before anything else...then there are a lot of people who say no to painting vinyl!

    • Florent Florent on Feb 14, 2017

      First, you can't paint a soft material like vinyl (even if it looks like hard, it's a bit soft anyway) because paint will crack and go away, especially on floor.

      Second, it appear that you have several materials one above the other, and several materials on the last layer. Before covering the floor with a new material (even paint), you have to be sure the base of it is on the same material in order to avoid cracking of the top material. Even ceramic tiles won't resist on a base made of several materials with different resistance and density, especially on floor.

      So, I recommand you remove all the layer made of wood and vinyl tiles first, then clean all the old glue and anything covering the underneath layer, and the cover that again with new material of your choice (cerami or vinyl tiles, vinyl roll of floor garment, wood floring, carpet, etc...

      The essential is to put it on an homogen clean layer in order to be sure the top layer won't crack as time goes by.

      I hope to be helpfull and wish you a lot of courage.

  • William William on Feb 12, 2017

    Your fiance has the best way to remove the floor! Make sure the underside of the tiles are clean for gluing. Use a good vinyl tile adhesive. Painting the tile is not a problem, Prep is the key.....http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/diy-room-decor-how-to-paint-over-vinyl-floor-tiles-apartment-therapy-tutorials-200139 ***** http://homeguides.sfgate.com/paint-vinyl-floors-stay-painted-27855.html ***** http://www.viewalongtheway.com/2013/01/how-to-paint-vinyl-or-laminate-flooring/

    • Kari Kari on Feb 13, 2017

      Thank you for your thoughts. You sound like you know what you are talking about!! I have seen that blog and many others....that is what made me want to try and paint it.

  • Claude Claude on Feb 12, 2017

    as long as there isn a big difference between heights coming from adjoining floors, paint it. the worse senerio is that you will still have to eventually replace it.

    scuff up the surface, prime, paint and seal it. Make sure you have several seal coats. Particarly where there are wear patterns. I've seen great jobs done on floors..

  • Linda M. Taylor Linda M. Taylor on Feb 12, 2017

    It is adhesive.

  • Erin Erin on Feb 12, 2017

    I'd make sure it's not asbestos before anything else.

  • JESS JESS on Feb 12, 2017

    Better safe than sorry. Have a professional come in in case it is mold. You can probably BING free mold inspection and your zip code.

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    • D41 D41 on Feb 13, 2017

      Kari, see about regarding asbestos. Breaking the tiles releases the asbestos. use proper masks, seal room, remove dust, debris to yellow plastic bags (yellow indicates hazard), double bag i and dispose of at hazardous waste depot. Breathing in may not seem to affect you now but the lungs cannot expell asbestos, increasing risk of lung disease/cancer later in life.

  • Hillela G. Hillela G. on Feb 13, 2017

    Good luck!!!! Let us know how it goes!

    • Kari Kari on Feb 13, 2017

      I will post after pics when I get around to making up my mind. :)

  • Jpy11082745 Jpy11082745 on Feb 13, 2017

    It looks like black roofing paper, being it's under a bath room floor.

  • Cindy Cindy on Feb 14, 2017

    My husband is in charge of asbestos at his work and says you can't tell by a visual. The older the floor is then the more likely it does contain it. He suggests taking a sample to a lab for analysis- estimates the cost around $150-$200 for this- but then you know for sure and can alter your plans accordingly. Your health is important!

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    • Tani Sherwood Tani Sherwood on Feb 16, 2017

      I meant to tell you lab cost are much lower than that. Use an accredited lab. You can put 1 sample into a zip lock baggy. all the layers to the sub floor are 1 sample. You don't need to pay for a Industrial Hygienist to do the sampling for you. again, you can find out what to do online but only use .org or .gov.

  • Amy Amy on Feb 15, 2017

    I would treat it as if was asbestos to be on the safe side. Use a good mask and gloves.

    • Tani Sherwood Tani Sherwood on Feb 16, 2017

      The paper masks don't do anything. If it does contain asbestos then you need a half mask negative respirator with a P100 cartridge. You need to test it to see f it fits. and if a guy is wearing it then no face hair where the mask touches the face.

  • It looks like roofing felt, but those tiles may have asbestos. You need to handle them with care.