Asked on Aug 28, 2013

Does anyone have any insight to landscaping?

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by DIY Show Off
We are just about finished installing a recycled brick patio and path under our grape arbor/gazebo. I've only landscaped small easy areas and this area has me nervous. I want it to be beautiful and practical. Any ideas? Should I do this myself or hire out? Any idea on an estimate or how a landscape designer or contractor charges in addition to materials? By the hour? By size? Can you tell by looking at the size if it's going to be thousands of dollars or something more affordable? There is a few feet on either side of the path as well as on the outer edge of each side of the grape arbor. Do I do mulch or stones or plants? It's mostly shaded and we're in western PA. In the fall, I'll have to blow leaves from an oak tree out of area as well as falling grapes/leaves. With my inexperience, I don't want to waste money. Any advice is appreciated!
does anyone have any insight to landscaping, landscape
does anyone have any insight to landscaping, landscape
does anyone have any insight to landscaping, landscape
does anyone have any insight to landscaping, landscape
does anyone have any insight to landscaping, landscape
does anyone have any insight to landscaping, landscape
does anyone have any insight to landscaping, landscape
does anyone have any insight to landscaping, landscape
does anyone have any insight to landscaping, landscape
  46 answers
  • Rebecca Rebecca on Aug 28, 2013
    We've gotten a plan drawn up by a landscaper at a nursery. The plan is free but then they expect you to purchase the plants from them (which makes sense). Then we just did the labor ourselves. Seemed worth the extra money that a nursery charges for their plants/flowers plus their was a guarantee if they died within a certain time period (1 yr maybe).

  • DIY Show Off DIY Show Off on Aug 28, 2013
    Thanks, Rebecca. That sounds like a great deal - I'd shop at the place that supplied the plan and do the work myself. I think it's the "plan" that overwhelms me the most.

  • Christina Cobb Christina Cobb on Aug 28, 2013
    It looks great we did something similar for a customer a few years ago. If you are looking at cost. Stone mulch will cost more in the beginning but is cheaper then wood mulch in the long run as you will not need to replace it every or every other year. Consider low grow ground cover as an option, some you can walk on and it might take a couple years to fill in but it would look awesome. Also what ever you do, don't forget the edging. It holds everything in place so you don't have mulch or stone or even ground cover in the grass. Don't go cheap on it, the aluminum lasts the longest and doesn't get eaten by the weed whacker.

  • DIY Show Off DIY Show Off on Aug 28, 2013
    Thanks, Christina! I am leaning more towards stone because of the maintenance. Ground cover would be awesome but again, I'd need professional direction. Yes...we have the supplies for edging already. :)

    • Sia@South 47th Sia@South 47th on Aug 28, 2013
      @DIY Show Off Are the pictures shown your place? If so It's just gorgeous!!! I live vicariously through others beautiful yards and garden areas for the moment, since ours is a disaster, LOL

  • Pamela Moore Pamela Moore on Aug 28, 2013
    Take a few pictures into your local nursery and have them help you. We have people do that at our nursery all the time and we show them options on what will work in an area. That way you have say and can see what you like

  • De Cardin De Cardin on Aug 28, 2013
    love it I would just mulsh and put lights

  • Jenny@birdsandsoap Jenny@birdsandsoap on Aug 28, 2013
    We used the "bark rock" along our driveway where we planted a row of lavender. It has been great for drainage and keeping the plants moist, but we do get weeds where the landscaping fabric and the concrete meet. Also, the rock is a pain to clean out, especially at the end of the season with all the leaves and junk that accumulate. I like our garden beds with real mulch/bark. At least I can rake it all out and start fresh every spring. The rock gets hard water deposits on it from rain and watering that give a white cast to them too which is annoying to me. If you have falling leaves in the area, I would strongly suggest something that you can just rake out.

  • Alana K Alana K on Aug 28, 2013
    It looks to me like you have the hardest, and most expensive, part done already. I think groundcover in the area near the walk would be easy, inexpensive and beautiful. It would create a soft transition and embrace the walkway. Beautiful work!

  • Jenny@birdsandsoap Jenny@birdsandsoap on Aug 28, 2013
    I would plant hostas and mulch around them. They do so well in the shade and their leaves are beautiful and full. They would cover up the ground when they spread out, hopefully that would cut back on weeds. I mixed asiatic lillies in with mine, so i get the full leaves of the hostas , then random tall flowers coming up among them in mid summer.

  • Sandy Sandy on Aug 28, 2013
    A climbing rose and clematis would be nice. On the outside some taller plants.

  • Cindy Becker Cindy Becker on Aug 28, 2013
    I agree with Alana. You've done the hardest part already! I'd plan some hostas, ferns and hardy fuchsias in those flower beds. None of them require a lot of maintenance or plant experience. Then you can relax and enjoy the beauy!

  • Reposhture Studio - Kim Reposhture Studio - Kim on Aug 28, 2013
    I would actually do plants instead of stone/mulch only becasue you will never be able to get all the rotted grapes out of the stone/mulch. Plants have a greater chance of maybe hiding some of that. I would plant some boxwood in a variety of colors so that you have some greenery during the winter time there as well but it would also be low maintenance all year round.

  • Charlie Daniels Charlie Daniels on Aug 28, 2013
    Take it from a pro.Hire a pro. This job will most likely require a 3-4 person crew,with about a 24-32 time frame for completion.You may want to reconcider grape vines.They really don't take to kindly to the metal frame.

    • DIY Show Off DIY Show Off on Aug 28, 2013
      @Charlie Daniels - This entire thing is already covered with very mature grapevines. Most of the structure is wood (we just redid that a few summers ago) and only the gazebo has a metal frame. Thanks for your opinion on hiring a pro!

  • Vivian S Vivian S on Aug 28, 2013
    You really have done the hardest work already. I am preferential to hostas and ground cover myself because I think it would look more natural and is easy upkeep once it is established, but it depends on the feeling you want. Here are a few things to consider - the ground cover can be planted through your barrier fabric to reduce weeds, but you will need to water the plantings. Is the black fabric heavy or can moisture seep through? Did you plan to leave the black fabric in place? Cutting circles in the black fabric and planting in the circles is one solution. If you go with mulch, it does break down so you will need to consider topping it up yearly. My experience with mulch (which I do have in my foundation beds) is that it does get into the grass even with an edging especially when we blow leaves in the fall. This might not be a big issue but it can get a little messy unless you are careful. On rocks - when we bought our house it had white marble chips in all the foundation beds. The chips were discolored and expensive to top up. We tried to remove them by sifting them out, but the work was very difficult. We ended up removing as many as we could (it looked like we got most of them) then added soil, etc. We still turn up marble chips when we are trying to plant in our beds. I know I probably didn't help much but you do need to consider the overall look you are going for.

  • Vivian S Vivian S on Aug 28, 2013
    The walkway and patio look great by the way :-)

    • DIY Show Off DIY Show Off on Aug 28, 2013
      @Vivian S - thanks Vivian! Very helpful. Your experience is exactly what I want to avoid - the dead leaves/grapes/dirt in the stones or mulch. The more I hear, the more I think I'd prefer the ground cover. The fabric doesn't have to stay. It just kept the weeds in check while working on the path and patio.

  • Cynthia E Cynthia E on Aug 28, 2013
    You have done the hardest most expensive part (which looks great by the way)--mulch and add groundcovers or climbing plants etc. Then if you ever want to do any more hardscaping you can always move mulch and go at it.

  • Susan Warren Susan Warren on Aug 28, 2013
    This is absolutely Beautiful! If you do it yourself, there will be a greater sense of pride for many years to come!

  • Geogardens Geogardens on Aug 28, 2013
    My suggestion: My husband and I suggest the following; You have a great start with the brick, on the ousides we would suggest half evergreen plants to give you color all year(using spring, summer and fall shrubs, keep them to a size that works with your space) hostas and a created spot(with ie: stone mushrooms, bird bath/small water feature, animals etc. then fabric the area tight on the edges and top the garden with mexican red rock(or something similar) to accent the brick, the final touch would be low voltage lighting. Enjoy your new garden, Cheers Georgie & Brian :0)

  • Laura Malm Laura Malm on Aug 28, 2013
    Wow, if you can do the walkway and patio, I'm sure you'll be able to do the rest too! This looks great! Landscaping can be costly to hire someone so I say do it yourself. I would put down some fresh topsoil and just mulch the area first to see how that looks. That might enough. Then as someone else suggested, go visit a nursery and check out the plants. I like plants like azaleas and rhodedendens - they stay green, bloom in the Spring and can be kept trimmed to fit the size of the area. Hostas also add a lot and are perennials (come back each year) and don't require a lot maintenance. You could also add in some bulbs and/or annual flowers for color. I would keep it simple and easy. The area is very nice and doesn't look like it needs much.

  • Jan H Jan H on Aug 28, 2013
    I agree with the comments that you have done the most difficult part. Enjoy putting your personal touch by selecting the plants. Recently a suggestion that I have found helpful as I build a new bed this year is to select different leaf shapes not only color . I agree.

  • Darleen Darleen on Aug 28, 2013
    you did a great job! The brickway looks great! and like many said above, you did the hardest most expensive part (btw.....what did you use to hold the bricks in place?) I would go with what some of the others said about ground cover and hostas...these plants would fill in the area very nicely and best of all low maintenance. ;-)

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    • Anthony Renzulli Anthony Renzulli on Aug 29, 2013
      @DIY Show Off Perenial plants can take a lickin and still do fine . Many nurseries and Big box stores (HD/Lowes) give a 1 year guarantee as long as you have the receipt.

  • DIY Show Off DIY Show Off on Aug 28, 2013
    Thanks, everyone! I just never have much luck with plants for some reason so I guess that's why it's so intimidating. I don't want to spend $$$ on plants only to kill them. lol

  • Patricia Johnson Patricia Johnson on Aug 28, 2013
    Beautiful job!! I think I'd plant whatever plants do well in your area---flowers always make tings look nice!

  • Mary C Mary C on Aug 28, 2013
    I am NO EXPERT ..but it ALREADY looks like an EXPERT has done ALOT of the work already!

    • DIY Show Off DIY Show Off on Aug 28, 2013
      @Mary C lol! It's the things that die (like plants) that is intimidating me. And I just don't really know what I want to do or plants. I was thinking rocks would be less maintenance but seems like I was wrong and plants would be less maintenance. I just want it to be done and pretty before winter. lol! Thanks, Mary!

  • Connie S Connie S on Aug 28, 2013
    do it yourself and save! plant herbs like rosemary and lavender, there are varieties you can get that are perennials, as well as any other herbs you would want, just put them in pots up and down as the others would be annuals. you could also plant some veggies!!

  • Pamela Brandvold Pamela Brandvold on Aug 28, 2013
    Colorful seasonal perennial plantings unless you enjoy bedding annuals also. To keep traffic from treading onto and or through the topiaries or shrubbery and a variance of large rocks. Keeps traffic from so readily breaking through and damaging any of the plantings. Protects the various perennials and thus you won't need as many either. The various rocks or "boulders" can have different colors lending color throughout the winter. I would match or contrast the rocks to the plantings and the paving stones. I did this sort of thing in two different places. The various size rocks either were convenient stepping stones themselves as well as protecting determined traffic. At one place some determined young adults used them and eventually quit cutting through altogether as the stones were such a variance. In the winter bedding edges were beautiful and the summer added backdrops to different plantings.

  • Lauri Arends Lauri Arends on Aug 28, 2013
    If you enjoy the work do it yourself. Keep in mind drainage and watering if your at this point include a watering system. saves water and time. Id add in a few roses and ark the design up to really make the height stunning. Check your light hours for best use of plantings.. Good luck!!

  • Lauri Arends Lauri Arends on Aug 28, 2013
    You should be able to ask the extension office near you for advise on plants the deal with in city environments, root zone and the like for perennials or shrubs. Your annuals will depend on lighting so hope for lots of sunny hours for best color...

  • Patricia W Patricia W on Aug 28, 2013
    One thing I love is your pathway! The best advice the wife of a landscape contractor and nursery owner is to get a book with ideas for your zone. The library has many to choose from. There a small so many ideas and beautiful landscapes to browse. Most of all, plant in tune with your taste, your soil,, your sun and shade areas and your watering abilities. Also consider the amount of time you want to spend maintaining your landscape. You could easily run drip irrigation for your plant area, it would be easy to hide under stone mulch! I used stone mulch for a bed of daylillies and boy did they thrive! The best thing about stone mulch is that its super easy to weed, never needs turned over or raked, and it never wears out! have fun!!!

  • Eric Eric on Aug 28, 2013
    i could suggest redwood chips as a bedding, then choose some nice perennials of white, blue, and orange or yellow.... low to medium height..

  • First of all, you've already done a fantastic job. I would save your money and finish up yourself. On the inside of the walkway, I would use whatever color and type of mulch you think you'd most like to see. I wouldn't use stone or gravel though as I feel it's a colder look more so than any type of wood mulch. Scatter smaller plants, flowers, etc. here and there but not bunched too close. Put a bench for sitting on either side of your walkway, 'on the inside part of your arbor' among the plants and flowers. On the outside I'd plant something a little larger, maybe some yucca plants as they will grow taller then what you plant on the inside areas. Something to outline and sort of make the inside a private retreat as you walk through and maybe sit a while on your benches. A hanging humming bird feeder to invite the little ones to fly in and have a drink. A statue or two on the outside among the larger plants would also be nice. There are so many ideas you can come up with and I don't think any of them can really turn out wrong. It's your space so whatever makes YOU happy and shows your personality is what counts. This isn't your neighbors yard, it's yours so do with it whatever comes to mind. If it doesn't turn out exactly like you hoped, you can always move things around to change it at a later date. Wishing you well on your project. Above all, just continue to be creative and have fun with it.

  • I should also have included, make sure you slant the ground toward the outside, not toward your walkway, 'the part you'll be planting in both on the inside and outside'. You can run a soaker hose through both insides and hide them with some of the mulch. The water won't drain toward the walkway but instead, water the plants inside and then drain toward the ones outside. Just make sure whatever plants you use inside are meant for shade. Using yucca plants on the outside should work well whether in shade or sun. Mine grow here no matter where they're planted. Only problem is more may come up where you don't want them in future years. You can always dig those up and move them, not hard to do at all. Wishing you well on whatever you decide.

  • Debi W Debi W on Aug 29, 2013
    I have found doing it myself is more satisfying and personally I LOVE Daisies. If you clip back/off the dead ones after bloom more will bloom and they will bloom for much of the season. Love the brick! You did a nice job!

  • Linda Mahoney Linda Mahoney on Aug 29, 2013
    How about boxwood and keep them trimmed fairly small, they always add the finishing touch.

  • San220285 San220285 on Aug 29, 2013
    Go with roses and daylilies. Simple yet basicly carefree. They will take the temp changes and not obstruct views. Daylillies are not expensive nor are roses. Seeds can be collected from them and spread through the garden into other beds.

  • GREAT WORK!! one question it looks you are using gravel, then some type of soil to set your brick. what is it? to answer your question. since you have a thought. you should pay for a consultation but only to the professional that under stand your vision and can work with your existing plants and that are not afraid to show the faults on the project you just finish due the final phase on your project. this will give a full scope to your project and you can decide to stop or go on . Good luck!!! beautiful work.

    • DIY Show Off DIY Show Off on Aug 29, 2013
      @Corvera Ground Maintenance & Design It's some type of sand under the brick. Thanks for your helpful suggestion!

  • Kate Colvin Kate Colvin on Aug 29, 2013
    you can mulch and grow plants. you said it was shady by your gazebo and arbor? stick with shade plants like impatiens, hosta and some ferns

  • Jan C Jan C on Aug 29, 2013
    It looks shaded so I'd do Variegated Hostas, maybe all different combinations to lighten it up, would be low to the ground, and maintenance free.

  • Barb Rosen Barb Rosen on Aug 30, 2013
    A variety of hardy ferns (such as Japanese painted fern and Lady Fern),heucheras, Lady's Mantle, hostas large and small with different leaf color and texture, Hakone grass and/or variegated liriope, Lily of the Valley, , clematis "Montana rubens" to climb and hydrangeas if you have enough light are my suggestions. I would also plant a lot of tete a tete daffodils, "Thalia" narcissus, muscari, crocus and perennializing tulips around and at the base of the hostas and ferns. They will come up and bloom while your perennials are emerging in the spring and then the foliage will cover them. Have fun, I'll look forward to seeing your updates : )

  • Ellen K Ellen K on Aug 30, 2013
    It depends on the amount of maintanence you want to do. You will have need to consider shade loving plants in the summer and winter exposure when the vine goes dormant. I suggest you vary the plantings with an evergreen (low maintanence), bulbs for early spring and returning perenniels. Good luck!

  • DeMarie I DeMarie I on Aug 30, 2013
    Hostas are always great for shady areas and are fairly low maintenance. If you plant a lot of them they will really make a very showy area. The pathway is gorgeous and I would keep things simple around it. Mulch with natural looking mulch. You have a great start. I would do it myself if you're physically able, as it is always so satisfying to look out on your own handiwork. Good luck.

  • Jenny Jenny on Aug 30, 2013
    have you walked around your neighborhood to see what others have planted and how it was done? might give you some ideas. what you have done looks great!!

  • Angie W Angie W on Aug 30, 2013
    Hi hon....Beautiful walkway....As for the it yourself.....Sometimes we will surprise ourselves with what we can come up with....Don't try to do it all at one time....Give yourself some time....I would go with what you like...Just make sure the lighting is right for the plants you pick....and colors??..Go with what you like......Good Luck !!! Post pictures periodically for us to see....:)

  • Jean DeSavage Jean DeSavage on Aug 31, 2013
    Some gardening centers will give you free help picking out what would work well for you. If you could take pictures in with you and a, to scale, drawing on graph paper, it would help them figure out how many of each plant type you would need to fill your area. There are quite a few different types of heuchera/coral belles that would work well on the inside area. They like either full sun or shade, there are many different colors of foliage, they stay somewhat low, and even when they're not blooming the foliage colors make a great statement. I have some that are caramel, purple, lime green with dark red striations, mid-green, dark green leaves. These can give you as much color as you want, are reasonable, perennials, and addicting! I already had six different ones in my garden and I just bought four more today! I agree that a taller plant would be better on the outside area, but I would not pick something that needs to be dead-headed a lot. For me, the key to enjoying my garden is not having to constantly be working to keep it looking great. Low maintenance is the key!

  • Susie Susie on Sep 17, 2014
    Beautiful area. Stay away from flowers & plants that attract bees next to walkway. If it's shaded most of the day, use hostas & ferns. Boxwood can make a small hedge by the walkway, and then add colorful taller flowers as a 2nd or 3rd layer out from the walkway. I am by cranberry twp, and have some plants I need to divide, if you would like some starters

  • Rosanne Rosanne on Nov 29, 2015
    azaleas can take shade and some can purple mondo grass.